I take it that by asking for a "Diva alternative" implies a virtual analog only synth, that can represent various analog synth designs based on a "mix & match" selection of modeled analog oscillators and filters.
The only other synth that I can think of close to that is Tone2 Saurus.
"At the heart of Saurus are it's top-notch oscillators employing our True Analog Modeling Technology ™, which produces a warm characteristic sound of the hardware units from the past. With PWM, Sync, Noise, Ringmod, AM & FM an extremely broad range of sounds can be dialed-in. Saurus offers a selection of both standard and exotic oscillator types from hard-to-get analog synths. Unlike conventional synths the PW knob is not limited to squarewaves - it allows you to morph any kind of wavefom. "
"True analog sound requires an excellent filter that's capable of sounding both lush or screaming when overdriven. However, analog filters are far from perfect. They suffer from distortion, noise, phase shift and self-oscillation. Exactly these imperfections add this magic character, which is missing in digital filters. That's why Saurus comes with a filter section which models the most famous analog filters. With precisely modeled non-linearity and self-oscillation they sound and behave exactly like the analog circuits. To top it all off the filter section also includes FM, feedback and an analog-modeled distortion for that little extra grit."
https://www.tone2.com/saurus.html
Diva Alternatives
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- KVRAF
- 1715 posts since 27 Apr, 2012
Serum 2 ft. DMG audio
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- KVRAF
- 3228 posts since 10 Nov, 2013 from Germany
Diva has feedback, Hive not. Diva has unison, Hive not. Diva is optimized for sound quality, Hive is optimized for low CPU usage and so on....Lbdunequest wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 6:32 pm U-he Hive 2 is a good alternative. Its not supposed to emulate anything but Sylenth1. And in the end you can do Diva aswel (minus crossmod).
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- KVRian
- 1355 posts since 24 Sep, 2021
Hive has unison per oscillator, and distortion gives similar result as Feedback. In the end you can get similar sounds from Hive. Diva is just subtractive synth.Chris-S wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:14 pmDiva has feedback, Hive not. Diva has unison, Hive not. Diva is optimized for sound quality, Hive is optimized for low CPU usage and so on....Lbdunequest wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 6:32 pm U-he Hive 2 is a good alternative. Its not supposed to emulate anything but Sylenth1. And in the end you can do Diva aswel (minus crossmod).
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- KVRian
- 973 posts since 24 Oct, 2006
It appears that the OP has left the building....
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- KVRian
- 1355 posts since 24 Sep, 2021
Why not? Serum can do VA and analog style sounds very well, who cares that its a wavetable synth because in the end its the sound that matters not what synth was used it to create.
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- KVRAF
- 9099 posts since 28 Apr, 2013
And as usual, our regular "take the bait" members* didn't realize the OP question only required a simple yes or no answer! It didn't appear that the OP was even looking for alternatives, just confirmation of a single GASsing.
*me too.
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- KVRAF
- 14429 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Planet Earth, Somewhere
This..twal wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:57 pm I don't think Diva can be replaced if you like the sound, quality, and analog flexibility.
I get that sound aesthetics is subjective but some of the options here..
Wow....
Diva is a jack of all trades and master of none, I get that... there are better minimoog options (model 72 and monark), better Jupiter/Juno options (J-8, U-No-LX, Model 84), better Oberheim options (Gforce stuff) etc..
but a taste of all of them, that sounds as good?
And yes I have most if not all of the 'alternatives' suggested here. If not have, at least tried.
Not to me, there is none.
And if there is ever a Diva2 I think it will be off the chain.
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- KVRist
- 238 posts since 19 Dec, 2005 from NL
How about Rob Papen Bit II, which will be released soon. It's still no Diva but seems like a better alternative than e.g. Saurus 4 because it has more features. I also like the new Gui with the black knobs, and it has a ribbon controller now:
BIT stands for Back In Time… and now we move to time travel level 2!
Instead of combining the best of analogue modeling with hybrid synthesis in which you can see with the other Rob Papen synthesizers, BIT-2’s main focus is on analogue Modelled Synthesis.
The idea behind BIT-2 is that the classic analogue type of synthesis has its own charm and simply has not yet been covered in this form by the Rob Papen brand.
Although BIT-2 has no patch cables, it is modular by all means! The Modulation Matrix is used for the patching, however also included is the smart ‘advanced’ panel below the Oscillators. With these advanced features (accessed by switching the ADV switch), you can quickly make several connections such as LFO and Envelope to the Oscillator parameters.
New additions to BIT-2 can be found in its Oscillators. Here you will find SuperSaw and SuperSquare waves, which are multiple Oscillators generated inside Oscillator 1 and/or 2. They give even more flexibility in creating sounds.
Kept from the previous version is the option to modulate Oscillator 2 by Oscillator 1 in several ways which expands the sound palette massively with Phase Modulation, Frequency Modulation, and Ring Modulation!
The two top-notch analogue modeled Filters are expanded in BIT-2 with new modes further enhancing its capabilities for sound shaping.
New inside BIT-2’s arpeggiator/sequencer is the option to dynamically change the start step and end step number, resulting in interesting real-time changing patterns! Another newly added feature is the ‘Magic’ parameter that allows you to alter the played arpeggiator/sequencer in a musical manner. The arpeggiator/sequencer can also work as a modulator and includes an additional free row that you can use to modulate other parts of BIT-2 by using the Modulation Matrix.
The AMP section of BIT-2 has been expanded with multiple distortion options and all are at a per ‘voice’ level, avoiding ugly sounds if you play chords.
An addition of a ‘Ribbon Controller’ found in the lowest section of BIT-2’s GUI allows you to change multiple parameters in a dynamic way using your mouse or an external MIDI controller.
Finally, the finishing touch for BIT-2 is of course the FX section. Some superb-sounding FX have been added and improved. Our top-notch Reverb is also included inside BIT-2 which means you won’t have to go outboard for adding reverb.
As mentioned earlier BIT stands for ‘Back In Time’ however it can also mean ‘Be Inspired Today’ whilst using our Analogue Modelled Synthesizer V2!
BIT stands for Back In Time… and now we move to time travel level 2!
Instead of combining the best of analogue modeling with hybrid synthesis in which you can see with the other Rob Papen synthesizers, BIT-2’s main focus is on analogue Modelled Synthesis.
The idea behind BIT-2 is that the classic analogue type of synthesis has its own charm and simply has not yet been covered in this form by the Rob Papen brand.
Although BIT-2 has no patch cables, it is modular by all means! The Modulation Matrix is used for the patching, however also included is the smart ‘advanced’ panel below the Oscillators. With these advanced features (accessed by switching the ADV switch), you can quickly make several connections such as LFO and Envelope to the Oscillator parameters.
New additions to BIT-2 can be found in its Oscillators. Here you will find SuperSaw and SuperSquare waves, which are multiple Oscillators generated inside Oscillator 1 and/or 2. They give even more flexibility in creating sounds.
Kept from the previous version is the option to modulate Oscillator 2 by Oscillator 1 in several ways which expands the sound palette massively with Phase Modulation, Frequency Modulation, and Ring Modulation!
The two top-notch analogue modeled Filters are expanded in BIT-2 with new modes further enhancing its capabilities for sound shaping.
New inside BIT-2’s arpeggiator/sequencer is the option to dynamically change the start step and end step number, resulting in interesting real-time changing patterns! Another newly added feature is the ‘Magic’ parameter that allows you to alter the played arpeggiator/sequencer in a musical manner. The arpeggiator/sequencer can also work as a modulator and includes an additional free row that you can use to modulate other parts of BIT-2 by using the Modulation Matrix.
The AMP section of BIT-2 has been expanded with multiple distortion options and all are at a per ‘voice’ level, avoiding ugly sounds if you play chords.
An addition of a ‘Ribbon Controller’ found in the lowest section of BIT-2’s GUI allows you to change multiple parameters in a dynamic way using your mouse or an external MIDI controller.
Finally, the finishing touch for BIT-2 is of course the FX section. Some superb-sounding FX have been added and improved. Our top-notch Reverb is also included inside BIT-2 which means you won’t have to go outboard for adding reverb.
As mentioned earlier BIT stands for ‘Back In Time’ however it can also mean ‘Be Inspired Today’ whilst using our Analogue Modelled Synthesizer V2!
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- KVRian
- 517 posts since 14 Oct, 2006
Imo, there isn't a VST that sounds as analog and warm as Diva. If that's what you're after, then get Diva. If you want more sound design options, then there are better VSTs out there as others have mentioned in this thread.
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- KVRAF
- 5271 posts since 2 Jul, 2005
That's why I recommend zebraHZ. It has the diva filters along with all the other cool shit in zebra. Diva sounds amazing but at the end of the day it's architecture is that of a pretty standard subtractive synth with minimal modulation options. I really only use it for relatively simple sounds that are up front in the mix. It shines for bass leads and thick keyboard sounds but then the voice structure dictates that these have to remain relatively simple. This leads me to lean more into zebra, ACE, and Bazille for Interesting/complex sounds with extremely nice quality.mabian wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 6:32 amIt depends if you're looking for sound fatness and organicity or synth flexibility and versatility.Ah_Dziz wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 4:57 am Diva is nice but it's very focused on being a relatively simple analog style subtractive synth. I'd get Zebra and zebraHZ (it has the diva filters) before diva, or even Bazille. Those both can do amazing subtractive sounds but also do much much more as well and that's just staying with Uhe products. You didn't say what intend to do with diva so it's difficult to recommend much. Diva is very nice though. I like it for very thick chords, keys, and pads mostly.
The first - Diva with no questions, the second - as suggested Zebra Legacy.
I think Zebra doesn't even come close regarding lively and warm sound (the filters alone make a lot of difference).
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- KVRist
- 422 posts since 9 Nov, 2020 from Los Angeles, CA
cpu usage has left the chat with pigmentsmartiu wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:19 pm just get Pigments and be done with it, it can do everything and it is easy to work with, it is a fat pig but whatever
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