Soundtoys are they now overated? My thinking is...

[Britishboxer]

Wait, you mention that it is funny that nobody mentions Apogee, but then repost and go on about plugins being half the price of Soundtoys, a single Apogee plugin is in the price range of the entire Soundtoys collection hahaha, I swear people just post here to get their count up.

I mentioned apogee just to suggest how good things sound these days, you start with the best and then compromise to stock quality stuff which is what Soundtoys equals to in 2023..., no offence but they just sent out beta vst3 right? 2023? lol!!! seriously? you guys need to come out for drink once in a while if you think Soundtoys are worth more then $25 in a market so saturated that developers are offering subscriptions as low as $10 for all their plugs, it seems that Avid and Soundtoys are some of the few companies still stuck in the 90s with insane prices.

[bungle]

So again, just to reiterate, you mentioned Apogee and then again, in this post claim Soundtoys to be insane pricing, and then suggest that subscription is better too? interesting stuff.

Oh and just to rub salt in the wounds of us idiots, you mention that Eventide is better, I must have not noticed their budget pricing?

[ramseysounds]

Soundtoys are ‘old’, GUI’s can do with being scalable, but other than that are very good. Use echoboy, decapitator and radiator on probably 50% of new tracks. It’s all subjective and personal taste

[4damind]

still too expensive, $25 for Echoboy is about right in 2023., I say $15 for the disabled crippled little versions that are less then decent to most stock effects with just about every daw including FRUITY LOOPS

Of course there are dozens of plugins that have similar functionality. But even Cubase doesn't have a delay that can compete with Echoboy. There are a few simple delays like almost every DAW has (PingPong, Stereo, Tap) but that's about it. There are also good autopanners, the one in Cubase is even quite good. But Panman is in a different league. Even more recent delays like the ValhallaDelay are not even close to being as good as Echoboy.
Soundtoys has set the bar very high and there is almost no competition. The plugins sound great, have a lot of features and are still easy to use. Of course, many would like to see a scalable GUI, but that is probably the only criticism many have.
I only know that Soundtoys often has good offers and $49 for one of the best delays on the market is an absolute bargain.

[fcamp]

There are delays that sound better to me than Echoboy in isolation, BUT, Echoboy always melts better than those in a mix.

[CinningBao]

You want me to break down alternative plugins that blow Soundtoys away for less than half the price they cost? just let me know cause im not the only one who replaced these toys.

Yeah, not really, no thanks.

You might be a bit happier if you weren't having this pointless discussion.

And as much you might not want to believe it, grammar is an important part of communication. If you don't care to make yourself clearly understood, why should we involve ourselves in your conversation?

It's probably best you go and make some music instead of thinking you can win our hearts over, because right now, you can't.

If you can't understand that it's not up to you to tell people how to choose their tools... well, can you not see the value of your input based on the responses?

[mothra]

I mentioned apogee just to suggest how good things sound these days, you start with the best and then compromise to stock quality stuff which is what Soundtoys equals to in 2023..., no offence but they just sent out beta vst3 right? 2023? lol!!! seriously? you guys need to come out for drink once in a while if you think Soundtoys are worth more then $25 in a market so saturated that developers are offering subscriptions as low as $10 for all their plugs, it seems that Avid and Soundtoys are some of the few companies still stuck in the 90s with insane prices.

We get it, you don't like SoundToys for whatever reason.. Nobody cares, go play with your Apogee crap and actually do something with it then instead of pointlessly arguing with yourself on the internet..

[Britishboxer]

I do like Soundtoys, you're the one upset...I actually tested and know what's better for the value and work flow..in 2023...
and I doubt I will change my mind if Soundtoys tried bribing me with free plugins..cause iam not a sell out to help cheat people seeking decent solutions.

now iam not saying you or anyone on this site is but aren't all websites affiliates bribed with freebies and not mentioning better developers from fear of the crushing loss to sales?

I love this one guitarist on YouTube who used softube amp sims, swore by them...then claimed he never had time to try Neural DSP amps...like he never heard of them yet some of his favourite guitar players actually use not one but a few Neural DSP sims...the hypocrisy is just out of control..he admitted he made a deal with softube and regretted it..but after Stienberg told him he had to pay for a cubase upgrade cause the copy he was given for a review was a NFR, I tried telling him JST Tones sells NFR which is illegal in Europe....but he said they made a fuss.....
---> to stick to the thread which is about if Soundtoys are still over rated...yes, they are...but not all...and that answer depends on your needs and budget.

example, if you have a logic template with a echo bus channel strip synced to the sequencer and use echoboy like me well..its great, every time I need to tweak it has what I need...sometimes logic stock can do more or less..and I own SSL, FabFilter, rent and own plugin alliance bx etc, including Howard Benson...I get free junk too...and echoBoy is still on my echo bus strip since 2015., but yeah its over rated in 2023..but again...depends.i like many other plugs for saturation..compared to Soundtoys, and I rather like Eventide for other things like blackhole reverb..

[Britishboxer]

You want me to break down alternative plugins that blow Soundtoys away for less than half the price they cost? just let me know cause im not the only one who replaced these toys.

Yeah, not really, no thanks.

You might be a bit happier if you weren't having this pointless discussion.

And as much you might not want to believe it, grammar is an important part of communication. If you don't care to make yourself clearly understood, why should we involve ourselves in your conversation?

It's probably best you go and make some music instead of thinking you can win our hearts over, because right now, you can't.

If you can't understand that it's not up to you to tell people how to choose their tools... well, can you not see the value of your input based on the responses?

its all I do, I check back to help people, so at this point I gather the comments are coming from those only in the business of obtaining freebees and lying about them right? do you actually make music? no offence but I can read between the lines.

[CinningBao]

its all I do, I check back to help people, so at this point I gather the comments are coming from those only in the business of obtaining freebees and lying about them right? do you actually make music? no offence but I can read between the lines.

Who exactly do you think you're helping?
I think you need better glasses if you think you're reading between the lines correctly.

[jens]

and I doubt I will change my mind

I think you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who cares in the slightest... but enjoy grabbing for attention either way.

[Caine123]

soundtoys plugins are top notch in my opinion, echoboy for example can do so much and their other plugins as well. resizable GUIs and im happy then.

[rod_zero]

still too expensive, $25 for Echoboy is about right in 2023., I say $15 for the disabled crippled little versions that are less then decent to most stock effects with just about every daw including FRUITY LOOPS

Of course there are dozens of plugins that have similar functionality. But even Cubase doesn't have a delay that can compete with Echoboy. There are a few simple delays like almost every DAW has (PingPong, Stereo, Tap) but that's about it. There are also good autopanners, the one in Cubase is even quite good. But Panman is in a different league. Even more recent delays like the ValhallaDelay are not even close to being as good as Echoboy.
Soundtoys has set the bar very high and there is almost no competition. The plugins sound great, have a lot of features and are still easy to use. Of course, many would like to see a scalable GUI, but that is probably the only criticism many have.
I only know that Soundtoys often has good offers and $49 for one of the best delays on the market is an absolute bargain.

[martiu]

Soundtoys plugins deserve every penny, buy now.

[Ploki]

I've been avoiding soundtoys for years

but i tried little alterboy after trying every f**king pitch shifter on the market because i got tired of using flex-pitch and duplicating tracks.
It sounds the same as logic flex-pitch offline formant and pitch shifting.
I have tried EVERYTHING on the market and NOTHING works as well somehow.

instabuy. I don't need anything else. maybe microshift, pretty good too.