Obxd synthesizer

[Paree]

We would also like to add that it is disappointing to see that the fork you shared only replaces the images without adding any new features or significant changes. While we appreciate the effort to create an alternative version, we believe that a more contributive attitude towards open-source projects would involve adding new features or improving existing ones, rather than simply replacing images.

Open-source projects thrive on collaboration and contributions from the community, and we encourage everyone to participate in a way that adds value and benefits to the project as a whole. Once again, we appreciate your interest in our software and your support for open-source projects, and we look forward to hearing more from you in the future.

Don’t worry, someone will pick it up one day just like you did, there are a lot of enthusiastic individuals who contribute to open source just because of the passion they have (like the surge synth team) and improve it over time. Speaking of surge, the obxd filter is available in surge so you can get similar sounds and a lot more with it if you want to avoid legal mess and do not like to support a company which changes their stance when they see profitability. There is also Odin 2, which is another powerful open source synth with SEM filter.

Regarding the second point, i have no words, it’s ironic to say the least.

[FrogsInPants]

Thanks for your message. I want to clarify that while the OB-Xd project was under the GPL license, images or artwork do not fall under the GPL. Therefore, if an image or artwork is not specified to be under the GPL license, it cannot be distributed without the permission of the copyright holder.

The earlier GPL versions from discoDSP had to comply with the original GPL license from 2Dat. In particular, 5c, "You must license the entire work, as a whole, under this License to anyone who comes into possession of a copy." I don't see how you can exempt your assets from that condition, especially to do so retroactively. I think you're being overly protective of these assets. I don't think you have a leg to stand on, but I hope whoever picks up maintenance of the GPL version will use all-new assets to avoid harassment over this issue.

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[Paree]

what needs to happen here though, is more action instead of complaints. the "opensource community" is not some magical entity that works by itself, it is actual people taking time and effort to create and maintain things. the time spent complaining would be much better spent learning what is needed to help maintain such opensource projects some folks appear to care so much about.

I am not a C++ programmer and i have no idea about DSP, how can i help contribute to open source projects like these?

[OBSOLETE160530]

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[george]

After investing seven years of development time into OB-Xd, we have considered the feedback and contributions from the open source community. Despite some positive contributions, we have ultimately decided to keep the project closed source. This decision was made with careful consideration of various factors, such as the need to maintain control over the development process and protect our intellectual property.

Additionally, we have experienced some negativity and criticism from certain individuals, particularly from Linux users. It is unfortunate that such behaviour exists in the community, but we remain committed to providing high-quality software and support to all of our users, regardless of platform or ideology.

While there have been some contributions from the open source community, they have been relatively few in number and have significantly influenced our decision to keep OB-Xd closed source. We appreciate all of our users and value their feedback, but ultimately we must do what we believe is best for our company and our customers.

Thank you for your understanding and continued support.

[Vortifex]

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[Paree]

While there have been some contributions from the open source community, they have been relatively few in number and have significantly influenced our decision to keep OB-Xd closed source.

Yet you continue to profit off of the work that was primarily done by open source projects in the first place. I would like to remind you that both Obxd and OPL would not exist if 2dat and bsutherland did not make it in the first place. Taking from open source projects and commercialising is one thing and since it is permitted in Open Source, i am not against it but to be completely ungrateful and trash it is another.

I’m also sure all those banks and skins that were made by kvr members also would not exist if the synth wasn’t free and open source. I can pretty much confirm that no one made those patches and skins thinking “i’m gonna create this free preset for discoDSP’s commercial product”. Most of them were made out of love for an open source/free plugin.

[george]

As the developer of OB-Xd and OPL, I would like to remind you that your statements regarding our qualifications and actions are inappropriate. While it is true that our work was initially based on open-source projects, we have made significant contributions and improvements to these projects over the past seven years. Additionally, we have always respected and appreciated the open-source community's efforts and contributions.

We do not believe that our decision to keep OB-Xd and OPL closed-source is a form of disrespect to the open-source community. Instead, we believe that it is the best way to ensure that our software remains stable, secure, and of the highest quality. We have made this decision after careful consideration and based on our experience with the open-source community.

Furthermore, we are disappointed by the inappropriate language and accusations directed towards us. As a company, we always strive to maintain a professional and respectful relationship with our users and the open-source community. We hope that our users can understand our decision and continue to support our efforts in developing high-quality software.

[Paree]

As the developer of OB-Xd and OPL, I would like to remind you that your statements regarding our qualifications and actions are inappropriate. While it is true that our work was initially based on open-source projects, we have made significant contributions and improvements to these projects over the past seven years. Additionally, we have always respected and appreciated the open-source community's efforts and contributions.

We do not believe that our decision to keep OB-Xd and OPL closed-source is a form of disrespect to the open-source community. Instead, we believe that it is the best way to ensure that our software remains stable, secure, and of the highest quality. We have made this decision after careful consideration and based on our experience with the open-source community.

Furthermore, we are disappointed by the inappropriate language and accusations directed towards us. As a company, we always strive to maintain a professional and respectful relationship with our users and the open-source community. We hope that our users can understand our decision and continue to support our efforts in developing high-quality software.

1. Those significant “contributions” you made is not towards the project but your own product, there is a difference between both.

2. Again, those “high quality software” contributes nothing to open source projects. It is for your own profitability.

3. There was no inappropriate language used, point it out and i will apologise if i think its true, unless you mean you can’t take criticism regarding your business decision, that is a different issue.

I would like to state that there would be not many presets/skins for obxd if it wasn’t free/open source in the first place.

You would also have not gotten the free publicity you did with articles focused on freewares.

The linux community can sometimes be unwelcoming and negative but i can assure you that most people are a very passionate and nice people that help you (just look at the number of linux queries answered over the internet, most of them are due to community).

My response was because of your claim that “there weren’t any significant contributions from open source community” when they made your base software in the first place.

I will also keep using the original 2Dat version as long as my OS support’s it.

[george]

I understand your frustration and appreciate your opinion, I would like to clarify a few things:

Our high-quality software is indeed for our own profitability, but that doesn't mean we don't value and appreciate the open source community's contributions to the field. We are not trashing anyone's work or being ungrateful, we are simply making a business decision that we believe is the best for our company and customers.

Referring to the tone of your message, we welcome constructive criticism, but your tone was not conducive to a productive conversation.

I also want to point out that we are aware of the impact that the open source community has had on our product. We acknowledge that without the free/open source nature of OB-Xd in the first place, there would not be as many presets/skins for it. Furthermore, we recognize that the free publicity that we have received due to articles focusing on freeware has been immensely beneficial to us.

Lastly, I apologize if my comments about the Linux community came across as negative. We understand that most people in the Linux community are passionate and helpful, and we appreciate the support we have received from the community. However, we have also experienced negativity and unwelcoming behavior from some members of the community.

Thank you for your understanding, and we hope to continue to improve our product for all our customers.

[Paree]

With respect to tone, i don’t think you can get your tone across right with written text, i didn’t mean to attack your company, it was just a response to you saying “there were no significant contributions from open source community” which is simply untrue.

Plus, the reason why no other person has stepped out to make an open source alternative yet (it might be too early) might just be because of you adding copyright stuff and all retroactively. Nobody wants to get into legal trouble due to an act of goodwill. Imagine if someone takes all the effort to clean up all the copyrighted stuff make it up to date and release binaries only for discodsp to say “hey, you forgot to replace this 1kb knob.png file so we are going to sue you if you don’t take your build down, haha ”

[george]

Thank you for clarifying your intention. I understand that written text can sometimes be misinterpreted, and I appreciate your respectful tone. However, I would like to clarify that the statement about the lack of significant contributions from the open source community referred specifically to the source code of our software. While we acknowledge and appreciate the work done by the users of the open source software, our focus has been on developing and improving our product, which includes creating our own source code.

I hope this clears up any misunderstandings, and I apologize if my previous response came across as defensive. We value the open source community and the contributions they have made to the industry, and we are committed to creating high-quality software for our customers.

[FrogsInPants]

After investing seven years of development time into OB-Xd, we have considered the feedback and contributions from the open source community. Despite some positive contributions, we have ultimately decided to keep the project closed source. This decision was made with careful consideration of various factors, such as the need to maintain control over the development process and protect our intellectual property.

Woah, there. Are you saying that the project does contain contributions from the open source community? If so, have you obtained a commercial license from all contributors for their contributions? With an open source project, you have to respect the intellectual property of all contributors, not just your own, however insignificant you consider their contributions.

[george]

Our company makes sure to follow all the rules and laws related to intellectual property rights. This means that we have looked into all the different things that people have contributed to our project, and we've made sure to get permission from anyone we need to. So don't worry, everything is being done the right way.