NAMM: U-he Filterscape Bundle previewed

[Shabdahbriah]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-a ... ey_fallacy

Oh, I learned something new!

I know, right?

I first saw it mentioned yesterday in a stunning (IMO) new YT video by ContraPoints. So worth watching IMO but super long and definitely a red flag to many on KVR due to....

ContraPoints' example was a million times better than the Wiki one as it started with the controversial claim from person A, then the (logical) rebuttal from Person B, then the moving of the goalposts from Person A, so common in bad faith arguments.

But I've heard: "Presets ... have ruined music making." Could it be true?!!!

[muki]

I first saw it mentioned yesterday in a stunning (IMO) new YT video by ContraPoints. So worth

have you got a link ?

(p.s.: is it the J.K. Rowling-one ?)

[vurt]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-a ... ey_fallacy

Oh, I learned something new!

I know, right?

I first saw it mentioned yesterday in a stunning (IMO) new YT video by ContraPoints. So worth watching IMO but super long and definitely a red flag to many on KVR due to....

ContraPoints' example was a million times better than the Wiki one as it started with the controversial claim from person A, then the (logical) rebuttal from Person B, then the moving of the goalposts from Person A, so common in bad faith arguments.

But I've heard: "Presets ... have ruined music making." Could it be true?!!!

misread that as priests, thought "seems legit".

[revvy]

I first saw it mentioned yesterday in a stunning (IMO) new YT video by ContraPoints. So worth

have you got a link ?

(p.s.: is it the J.K. Rowling-one ?)

Yes, the recent Witch Trials one

[muki]

Yes, the recent Witch Trials one

thx

[glokraw]

This embodies everything wrong with music today. It’s all knob twiddling and no songwriting. Modulated filters have been played out for 20 years now.

Songwriting itself is story-telling, regardless of the gear and software. If we expect
compelling and historically lasting songs to be released by softporn-tiktok-drug-addicts,
what we''ll get is rehashed stories of social failures, or loud songs promoting lifestyles
that nearly guarantee the social failures. If a raw song is fundamentally and technically excellent, gear and software, in the right hands, can help make it 'market ready'. Sadly, a lot of songs get dressed up and released by the shrinking in numbers. but ever more powerful crowd of market forces, to be hoovered up by the tiktok masses just because it's out there.

Of course, Filterscape has nothing to do with a storyteller, unless the storyteller wants to use it.

And yes, there are lousy songs that still strike a deep chord in peoples hearts,
some bringing fame and fortune, even via one-hit-wonders, and some are just luckily released in the right time and place.
Cheers

[Shabdahbriah]

^^^ well said ^^^

[jamcat]

This embodies everything wrong with music today. It’s all knob twiddling and no songwriting. Modulated filters have been played out for 20 years now.

Songwriting itself is story-telling, regardless of the gear and software. If we expect
compelling and historically lasting songs to be released by softporn-tiktok-drug-addicts,
what we''ll get is rehashed stories of social failures, or loud songs promoting lifestyles
that nearly guarantee the social failures. If a raw song is fundamentally and technically excellent, gear and software, in the right hands, can help make it 'market ready'. Sadly, a lot of songs get dressed up and released by the shrinking in numbers. but ever more powerful crowd of market forces, to be hoovered up by the tiktok masses just because it's out there.

Of course, Filterscape has nothing to do with a storyteller, unless the storyteller wants to use it.

And yes, there are lousy songs that still strike a deep chord in peoples hearts,
some bringing fame and fortune, even via one-hit-wonders, and some are just luckily released in the right time and place.
Cheers

For me, I was talking about the experience of creating music. It was just a thought that occurred to me looking at the sort of plugins people seem to get excited about.

What I was struck by is it seems it's the preset-driven plugins that literally DO EVERYTHING for you that get the most attention. It wasn’t really about Filterscape per se, but more about that sort of automated music creation that it lends itself to. I spoke hastily of "knob twiddlers" but actually, twiddling knobs would at least be a step in the right direction, because you're putting something of yourself in the moment into it.

30, 40, 50 years ago, when music was truly a cultural force, all music had a human touch, and that's what made it interesting to sit through an hour, or even 4 minutes, whatever the case might be. That's what's really lacking far too often these days, I think. You speak of music as storytelling, and you're right. Remove the human element from storytelling, and you just have ChatGPT.

I also think playing in a band, or at least experience playing live with other musicians, is a huge dividing line. People who never have maybe don't have a full perspective. Making music is more than just putting notes together, and it's certainly not about processing sounds with algorithms. It's about a connection musicians are creating with each other, and with the audience. It seems to me that shared experience is why we have music.

[glokraw]

I also think playing in a band, or at least experience playing live with other musicians, is a huge dividing line.

Very very true. Theres a huge difference in the silence one might experience over a song released on the internet, and the same degree of silence after you just played your best ever performance, and could hear a shoe come untied afterwards

To veer more back on topic, Urs, please please please release the synth
as a separate product!