Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[twal]

Not worth my time, carry on.

[Jac459]

It was not about comparing similar synths, it was about giving an alternative with lots of presets. And I added Omnisphere and compared the price, so Omnisphere = Avenger + 5 xps is a similar price and Omnisphere gives you way more presets than Avenger. A synth is just a synth, it depends on you what you do with it.

For what is it worth, your point was pretty clear for me and not misleading at all .

[Jac459]

Hi, another day and another question about Avenger Expansions...
In VPS website it is clearly stated that Cyberpunk 2 has Multiloops.. 9 actually.
But in fact they are nowhere to be found. Am I missing something ?
I can easily find the MU in the factory presets or in the Guitars expansions...

[c0LIn]

Hi, another day and another question about Avenger Expansions...
In VPS website it is clearly stated that Cyberpunk 2 has Multiloops.. 9 actually.
But in fact they are nowhere to be found. Am I missing something ?
I can easily find the MU in the factory presets or in the Guitars expansions...

i did check the Vengeance Site and there are no Multiloops listed in the Cyberpunk 2 Expansion.
There are 9 Multiloops in the ItaloDisco 3 Expansion below.

[Jac459]

Hi, another day and another question about Avenger Expansions...
In VPS website it is clearly stated that Cyberpunk 2 has Multiloops.. 9 actually.
But in fact they are nowhere to be found. Am I missing something ?
I can easily find the MU in the factory presets or in the Guitars expansions...

i did check the Vengeance Site and there are no Multiloops listed in the Cyberpunk 2 Expansion.
There are 9 Multiloops in the ItaloDisco 3 Expansion below.

Yes, it is because VPS acknowledged the problem in this same thread and fixed it... Read back the previous posts...

[Chipi]

i can't think of another sampler that offers the same features and tweakability

I guess the only thing i miss in it is timestretch.

Falcon goes way beyond Avenger (with it’s fair share of known bugs here and there so at least they don’t take you by surprise).
And it takes immensely low resources compared to Avenger (because is modular, simple paches are not loading the full plugin). You feel it right away anywhere over 10 instances. I often have 30+ Falcon instances in my projects. Same number of Avenger instances wouldnt even let me start playback in a busy project. I usually use no more than 2-4 avengers in a 60+ tracks song.

It is false or inaccurate what you mention. If you can open 30 instances of Falcon, then 30 instances of Avenger are perfectly feasible, since the performance of one and the other is very similar. The problem is that you opened 30 instances of Falcon first and then you pretend another 30 instances of Avenger, your processor starts to run out of air brother, tell me, 60 tracks? What music do you make? Can you share here a track where you use 60 simultaneous instances in a project? I mean, let's see how it sounds. If you look at the Avenger Demos on youtube they sound tremendous and about 15 sounds layered on top of each other but not even sounding simultaneous. I can't conceive 60 tracks musically, but maybe you can show us how you do it?

[Jac459]

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It is false or inaccurate what you mention. If you can open 30 instances of Falcon, then 30 instances of Avenger are perfectly feasible, since the performance of one and the other is very similar. The problem is that you opened 30 instances of Falcon first and then you pretend another 30 instances of Avenger, your processor starts to run out of air brother, tell me, 60 tracks?
....

I don't think it was said at any moment that it was first 30 falcon instances and then 30 additional Avenger. I think it is very very unlikely such a reasoning mistake would have been done.

On the 60 tracks debate, to me we don't care much. What we care is that we can all agree that CPU is a rare resource and we should avoid over using it. I don't have 60 tracks but I have sometimes 5 effects by tracks, Saturn 2, ProQ3, Pro R, some side chaining and so on and so forth.
So even with an M2 Pro I am still looking at CPU usage...

My personal feeling (and it is just a feeling at this stage) is that yes, Avenger uses more resources than Falcon, most of the time, isn't it your own experience ? Do you confirm you have both to compare ?

I don't know at all if avenger is more or less modular than Falcon. Avenger could perfectly unload some part of the synth (Oscillators, modulators, filters, effects) if not used.

[Jac459]

Actually if I try to just load sawtooth oscillators, disable everything else on both, Avenger use 21% more CPU than Falcon... If we consider that the DAW use a part of this CPU load, that's quite a difference...

Memory load doesn't seems to significantly change though...

I am interested to know what is your own experience...

(the way I do it is I created a few instances in Bitwig and I alternate toggling active tracks, Bitwig unload totally the VST not active).

[sqigls]

i think to get an accurate comparison you also need to render some audio files at the same internal and external sample rate etc, and compare the save times.

[Jac459]

i think to get an accurate comparison you also need to render some audio files at the same internal and external sample rate etc, and compare the save times.

Definitely, my benchmark .... doesn't qualify as a benchmark....
Would be interresting to have one though....

[Chipi]

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It is false or inaccurate what you mention. If you can open 30 instances of Falcon, then 30 instances of Avenger are perfectly feasible, since the performance of one and the other is very similar. The problem is that you opened 30 instances of Falcon first and then you pretend another 30 instances of Avenger, your processor starts to run out of air brother, tell me, 60 tracks?
....

I don't think it was said at any moment that it was first 30 falcon instances and then 30 additional Avenger. I think it is very very unlikely such a reasoning mistake would have been done.

On the 60 tracks debate, to me we don't care much. What we care is that we can all agree that CPU is a rare resource and we should avoid over using it. I don't have 60 tracks but I have sometimes 5 effects by tracks, Saturn 2, ProQ3, Pro R, some side chaining and so on and so forth.
So even with an M2 Pro I am still looking at CPU usage...

My personal feeling (and it is just a feeling at this stage) is that yes, Avenger uses more resources than Falcon, most of the time, isn't it your own experience ? Do you confirm you have both to compare ?

I don't know at all if avenger is more or less modular than Falcon. Avenger could perfectly unload some part of the synth (Oscillators, modulators, filters, effects) if not used.

I have Falcon and Avenger, I got this mini PC computer (screen-capture below) for about $500 and it is a marvel with any synth you throw at it. Processor i9-12900H 2.50 GHz Max. 5 GHZ shown in the picture below and 32GB of RAM, it runs 14-cores and 20 threads, so it never runs out of steam with Avenger or Falcon. 8 instances of Avenger with complex sounds barely moves 3% of the CPU. Falcon with 8 Instances moves 5% to 7% of the CPU along with Ozone v10 in the Master. The problem with UVI Falcon is that it suddenly crashes and stops responding, with the VPS this has not happened to me.

[Jac459]

I have Falcon and Avenger, I got this mini PC computer (screen-capture below) for about $500 and it is a marvel with any synth you throw at it. Processor i9-12900H 2.50 GHz Max. 5 GHZ shown in the picture below and 32GB of RAM, it runs 14-cores and 20 threads, so it never runs out of steam with Avenger or Falcon. 8 instances of Avenger with complex sounds barely moves 3% of the CPU. Falcon with 8 Instances moves 5% to 7% of the CPU along with Ozone v10 in the Master. The problem with UVI Falcon is that it suddenly crashes and stops responding, with the VPS this has not happened to me.

Seems to be quite a beast you have there mate...

I have M2 Pro laptop myself which is also very powerful (but a domesticated beast haha, not a wild fury as you have).

Anyway, the interresting part is that our experience seems to be opposite.
To be fair, both plugins are very stable but I don't remember having any crash with Falcon, Avenger is stable to but I have a recurent crash when I am browsing multiloops while playing, don't you have that? Can you specifically try?

On the performance, I think that just prove our testing protocol is not good enough haha. Anyway, on my case too the consumption is quite minimal.

[m-ac]

I have Falcon and Avenger, I got this mini PC computer (screen-capture below) for about $500 and it is a marvel with any synth you throw at it. Processor i9-12900H 2.50 GHz Max. 5 GHZ shown in the picture below and 32GB of RAM, it runs 14-cores and 20 threads, so it never runs out of steam with Avenger or Falcon. 8 instances of Avenger with complex sounds barely moves 3% of the CPU. Falcon with 8 Instances moves 5% to 7% of the CPU along with Ozone v10 in the Master. The problem with UVI Falcon is that it suddenly crashes and stops responding, with the VPS this has not happened to me.

Seems to be quite a beast you have there mate...

I have M2 Pro laptop myself which is also very powerful (but a domesticated beast haha, not a wild fury as you have).

Anyway, the interresting part is that our experience seems to be opposite.
To be fair, both plugins are very stable but I don't remember having any crash with Falcon, Avenger is stable to but I have a recurent crash when I am browsing multiloops while playing, don't you have that? Can you specifically try?

On the performance, I think that just prove our testing protocol is not good enough haha. Anyway, on my case too the consumption is quite minimal.

Avenger just doesn't run as well on OSX as it does on windows. I've reported a lot of issues with detailed videos and reproduce-able steps, and most of them were pretty much ignored or swept under the rug.

[Jac459]

Avenger just doesn't run as well on OSX as it does on windows. I've reported a lot of issues with detailed videos and reproduce-able steps, and most of them were pretty much ignored or swept under the rug.

Good to know...

[h0g0f0g0]

Too bad I didn't know that before purchasing it. Burned myself a couple of times with software that doesn't work well on Apple.. I guess I need to do some research before buying next time.. Anyway thanks for sharing