Ooh, I like This Modular Rack...

[ghettosynth]

Ok, I suppose I'm not surprised. But let's either talk me into, or out of, this.

I was hoping for about $250, which for some reason has some magic justification properties where I think that the price is ok. It's $350, which triggers my "that's a f**king expensive module." And yet, it's about the same price as some other really f**king overpriced modules that I have...looking at you Make Noise.

I will say that I think that the tip-top/buchla stuff has a wonderful look and feel and I really enjoy using them.

[ghettosynth]

bloody show off, i only used 4

I only used four EGs, I just had eight inputs on my mixer so I did some processing on a couple of the outputs and also mixed in two of the trigger outs. Main point of the post is that even fairly slow changes in voltage can create interesting sounds, especially when driving a filter.

im just jealous of the tip top buchlas

indeed, as its all just voltage really, some is just faster than others, its worth seeing what the hell happens???

one thing you may be able to explain, or someone...
when i take an actual oscillator, and drop the pitch, below normal ranges, i get the broken clicks and pops, even from a basic triangle wave, or saw.
however, if i take an lfo from audio rate down, i dont get all that lovely futzy noise?

Depends on the design of the oscillator, but, oftentimes the wave shaper in a VCO will go out of alignment/tune below a certain frequency and you will get jumps in the waveform. The B.921, and the original, in fact, are this way. You can re-align/tune the wave shaper to work cleanly at LFO rates but then it will be out of alignment for higher frequencies.

Now, for a Saw, if it's a sawtooth core, it's hard to say exactly, but you might see this with a triangle core oscillator generating a sawtooth.

LFOs are intended to be used at low frequencies so you have to design the core/wave-shaping, especially for sin/tri waveforms, to be clean at low frequencies.

[vurt]

bloody show off, i only used 4

I only used four EGs, I just had eight inputs on my mixer so I did some processing on a couple of the outputs and also mixed in two of the trigger outs. Main point of the post is that even fairly slow changes in voltage can create interesting sounds, especially when driving a filter.

im just jealous of the tip top buchlas

indeed, as its all just voltage really, some is just faster than others, its worth seeing what the hell happens???

one thing you may be able to explain, or someone...
when i take an actual oscillator, and drop the pitch, below normal ranges, i get the broken clicks and pops, even from a basic triangle wave, or saw.
however, if i take an lfo from audio rate down, i dont get all that lovely futzy noise?

Depends on the design of the oscillator, but, oftentimes the wave shaper in a VCO go out of alignment/tune below a certain frequency and you will get jumps in the waveform. The B.921, and the original, in fact, are this way. You can re-align/tune the wave shaper to work cleanly at LFO rates but then it will be out of alignment for higher frequencies.

Now, for a Saw, if it's a sawtooth core, it's hard to say exactly, but you might see this with a triangle core oscillator generating a sawtooth.

LFOs are intended to be used at low frequencies so you have to design the core/wave-shaping, especially for sin/tri waveforms, to be clean at low frequencies.

thanks
that actually makes sense and i understand it!
i think im getting better at this business!

[Shabdahbriah]

bloody show off, i only used 4

I only used four EGs, I just had eight inputs on my mixer so I did some processing on a couple of the outputs and also mixed in two of the trigger outs. Main point of the post is that even fairly slow changes in voltage can create interesting sounds, especially when driving a filter.

im just jealous of the tip top buchlas

indeed, as its all just voltage really, some is just faster than others, its worth seeing what the hell happens???

one thing you may be able to explain, or someone...
when i take an actual oscillator, and drop the pitch, below normal ranges, i get the broken clicks and pops, even from a basic triangle wave, or saw.
however, if i take an lfo from audio rate down, i dont get all that lovely futzy noise?

Depends on the design of the oscillator, but, oftentimes the wave shaper in a VCO go out of alignment/tune below a certain frequency and you will get jumps in the waveform. The B.921, and the original, in fact, are this way. You can re-align/tune the wave shaper to work cleanly at LFO rates but then it will be out of alignment for higher frequencies.

Now, for a Saw, if it's a sawtooth core, it's hard to say exactly, but you might see this with a triangle core oscillator generating a sawtooth.

LFOs are intended to be used at low frequencies so you have to design the core/wave-shaping, especially for sin/tri waveforms, to be clean at low frequencies.

thanks
that actually makes sense and i understand it!
i think im getting better at this business!

... meanwhile, in Asheville:

[Stefken]

dunno if i could be that risky, i may cheat the numbers, but they're still high enough to keep me in check

In reality the numbers are even underestimated. The actual price is pretty much always higher. And in the EU we are priviledged to always pay more for the same thing.
Hector in the US: 600 dollar
Hector in the EU: 618 euro = 680 dollar .

Used is nice… check Modwiggler for sales. You need 100 posts in order to post in sales thread but you can still PM. I got Hector for $459. Just arrived today too!

Elxsound and foosnark, thx for the tip. And enjoy your new acquisations.

[vurt]

bloody show off, i only used 4

I only used four EGs, I just had eight inputs on my mixer so I did some processing on a couple of the outputs and also mixed in two of the trigger outs. Main point of the post is that even fairly slow changes in voltage can create interesting sounds, especially when driving a filter.

im just jealous of the tip top buchlas

indeed, as its all just voltage really, some is just faster than others, its worth seeing what the hell happens???

one thing you may be able to explain, or someone...
when i take an actual oscillator, and drop the pitch, below normal ranges, i get the broken clicks and pops, even from a basic triangle wave, or saw.
however, if i take an lfo from audio rate down, i dont get all that lovely futzy noise?

Depends on the design of the oscillator, but, oftentimes the wave shaper in a VCO go out of alignment/tune below a certain frequency and you will get jumps in the waveform. The B.921, and the original, in fact, are this way. You can re-align/tune the wave shaper to work cleanly at LFO rates but then it will be out of alignment for higher frequencies.

Now, for a Saw, if it's a sawtooth core, it's hard to say exactly, but you might see this with a triangle core oscillator generating a sawtooth.

LFOs are intended to be used at low frequencies so you have to design the core/wave-shaping, especially for sin/tri waveforms, to be clean at low frequencies.

thanks
that actually makes sense and i understand it!
i think im getting better at this business!

... meanwhile, in Asheville:

ive come to the conclusion, maths is like modes, just when i think i understand, i read something that makes me think im lost again.

envelopes play a huge part in the current stream.
as in, its the envelope patch from last night, recorded in to morphagene, then processed through qpas (again ) and strega, because its fecking awesome! and mimeophon, because its me...

[ghettosynth]

Ok, where's my DIY crew at? Is there a reasonable DIY panel/pcb combo that might tempt me more than the tip-top/buchla?

[vurt]

Ok, where's my DIY crew at? Is there a reasonable DIY panel/pcb combo that might tempt me more than the tip-top/buchla?

not me, i maxed out my diy skills on the nts oscilloscope

[imrae]

Ok, where's my DIY crew at? Is there a reasonable DIY panel/pcb combo that might tempt me more than the tip-top/buchla?

The dual LPG from NLC comes to mind: https://www.nonlinearcircuits.com/modules/p/dual-lpg

The trouble with anything lowpass-gate is that the usability and sound end up being very sensitive to the optical elements used; in this case the choice of LEDs and LDRs.

[justin3am]

Ok, where's my DIY crew at? Is there a reasonable DIY panel/pcb combo that might tempt me more than the tip-top/buchla?

The Thomas White LPG is one of my favorites. You can get panel and PCB from Synthcube.
I thought the PlanB/PeterG LPG was available for DIY from Elby but can’t find it now.

[ghettosynth]

Ok, where's my DIY crew at? Is there a reasonable DIY panel/pcb combo that might tempt me more than the tip-top/buchla?

The Thomas White LPG is one of my favorites. You can get panel and PCB from Synthcube.
I thought the PlanB/PeterG LPG was available for DIY from Elby but can’t find it now.

Thanks, through-hole and not too bad in a dual. I think that I'll skip the quad.

Ok, where's my DIY crew at? Is there a reasonable DIY panel/pcb combo that might tempt me more than the tip-top/buchla?

The dual LPG from NLC comes to mind: https://www.nonlinearcircuits.com/modules/p/dual-lpg

The trouble with anything lowpass-gate is that the usability and sound end up being very sensitive to the optical elements used; in this case the choice of LEDs and LDRs.

Yeah. I have a bunch of vactrols in my junk box. The Basic Buchla circuit is so simple that I think that I'm going to make one buchla circuit and experiment with the vactrols that I have.

Or, I might just order the tip-top/buchla in a fit of impatience on some wimpy sale and just be done with it. I really do like working with the tip-top.buchla modules.

[ghettosynth]

Ugh, I really want to like the buchla more. It's so hard to find videos of the 292 (not t) where people aren't using them to create self-administered quasi-musical enemas. Sorry, that's just my opinion man. I feel like having more than one will matter but the last thing that I'm going to do is to create a god-damned krell patch. I can't really get a good sense of how valuable having more flexibility in the design is going to be.

[vurt]

what did make noise show at superbooth in 2019?
im assuming they have plans to announce again this year, why else would they go? xpo has been a while now...

not sure what id be hoping for either?
a beefed up morphagene, more space per reel, possibly changing record speed too might be cool
perhaps as a desktop with additional delay similar to mimeophon, as a desktop fx to go with the synths and controller?

[justin3am]

Ugh, I really want to like the buchla more. It's so hard to find videos of the 292 (not t) where people aren't using them to create self-administered quasi-musical enemas. Sorry, that's just my opinion man. I feel like having more than one will matter but the last thing that I'm going to do is to create a god-damned krell patch. I can't really get a good sense of how valuable having more flexibility in the design is going to be.

Verstaeker posted some good stuff recently:



I also like Batchas' stuff a lot:


But that's probably too close to Krell for your interest.

Not a 292 of course but this is the video that sold me on the QMMG.


I don't know... do you feel like an LPG is actually something you will use? Maybe it's not something you need. Or maybe the point of the post was to talk yourself out of a purchase (which should be easy). Maybe a better exercise would be to try emulating the functions of the 292 with other stuff.

[elxsound]

...after finding a good deal on Hector. I caved… I’m adding Hector, and will likely sell off Beebo.

Kindly tell us your experiences with Hector.

I m holding off for the moment and will test a few things out in VCV/Softube before taking the plunge into hardware. ( E.g. rings is often portrayed as this gem of a module but i m more of a TB-303 and MS-20 kinda guy so I might get bored faster than i think. )

I’m actually having fun with Hector. It’s a bit slow compared to having a dedicated module and no screen, but I’m getting what I want from it and prefer it over Beebo.

I successfully loaded in my IRs and presets from Beebo and they work as expected.

I’m running a patch with Delay/Stereo Cab sim/Stereo IR reverb, 1 instance of Marbles (Chaos Controller) and 1 instance of Tides (Looping Envelope). The delay, cab sim & reverb hit 62% of “DSP Usage” and adding in the 2 MI clones jumped to 82% which i think is acceptable.

I don’t need the cab sim for this, but left it setup that way just to see, so I think this work well for my wants/needs.

I won’t need uO_C anytime soon. Marbles (via Hector) is going to work fine for random curiosity usages.