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BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:20 am

2ca wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:37 am 1)
>I thought I read that the developer of Aether was creating an updated version for modern formats, and I think he said owners of Aether would get the update for free?

I'm working on a new reverb which is something in between Aether and Breeze. The reverb alg is almost fully ready and sounds pretty good. I just need to finish up the GUI/SDK part. The re-working of Aether will come next as there are lots of things to improve in 17 years old alg. The work goes slower than I want it to progress as I have to take part in side projects to have some money for living (2CA was my only source of income). plug-in works already natively on M1/M2 and VST3 support is implemented

2) the situation has nothing to do with a war between US and RU. the problems started already in 2017. Though the war made the consequences worse for me. Some of my money that I had in US stocks got frozen due to sanctions

3) regarding buying 2C plug-ins: please be advised that all 2CA sales are illegal. 2CA sells software that contains predominately my intellectual property without my consent and without sharing profits with me. All users who purchased after 9 may 2022 (the date 2CA was officially notified about copyright infringement by my lawyer) are effectively using illegal software. Those who care about that could ask 2C to provide a legal proof that they hold all the copyrights to the software that they sell online. I would be glad to see such a proof.

Denis,
2CAudio co-founder and the Lead Developer

Okay. Since I have the Perfect Storm software bought long before that date but need the latest update, does that apply for that since the update was also available before that date?

2ca · Post by **2ca** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:26 am

yes it does. I have been receiving my profit share until 1st nov 21. All who purchased until this date effectively paid to me so all they qualify.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:38 am

2ca wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:26 am yes it does. I have been receiving my profit share until 1st nov 21. All who purchased until this date effectively paid to me so all they qualify.

So buying the update would make it illegal?

2ca · Post by **2ca** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:33 am

no, if you purchase anything from 2CA it's up to you. You already paid to me and this is what matters. Note that my products will not be identical to 2CA.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:50 pm

no offense denis, but i'll believe it when i see it

jens · Post by **jens** » Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:04 am

Ploki wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:50 pm no offense denis, but i'll believe it when i see it

No offense Ploki, but I hereby nominate you for the "most pointless post of the year"-award.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Fri Apr 28, 2023 11:14 am

jens wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:04 am
Ploki wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:50 pm no offense denis, but i'll believe it when i see it
No offense Ploki, but I hereby nominate you for the "most pointless post of the year"-award.

I’ll take it

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Fri Apr 28, 2023 5:35 pm

What was your prize?

snigelx · Post by **snigelx** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:21 pm

2ca wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:37 am 1)
>I thought I read that the developer of Aether was creating an updated version for modern formats, and I think he said owners of Aether would get the update for free?

I'm working on a new reverb which is something in between Aether and Breeze.<--snip-->

Great to hear this. Interesting description: "...somewhere between Aether and Breeze..." Looking very much forward to trying your new design, whatever form it takes. I learned a lot about the seeming esoterics of those units from reading the (sometimes unfinished, nevertheless useful) manuals through the years,... which I appreciate as much äs the creative take on the effects themselves. I do hope the fabulous idea in B2 gets some of your love at some point as well and becomes further developed. Although one can do a lot with dynamics/dist pre/post/between reverbs (or other audio fx), I always felt the ideas in B2 were on a different level, incorporating such routable signal manipulations within the unit in the cascading style. You hear in this thread how useful folks think this is after all this time. Anyway, reverb has come a long way during the years, helped by faster more efficient workstations...You are definitely one of those forward-thinking devs that can bring us perhaps some device we didn't know we desired... like B2. ...and for the record I do love Breeze2 amd Aether. would maybe change the way EQ and damping interfaces work but... very nice results, esp with lots of desire to Experiment. We'll be waiting

andrew_k · Post by **andrew_k** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:39 pm

snigelx wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:21 pm Great to hear this. Interesting description: "...somewhere between Aether and Breeze..." Looking very much forward to trying your new design, whatever form it takes... We'll be waiting

I will definitely be waiting as well. This does sound interesting, thank you Denis.

2ca · Post by **2ca** » Mon May 01, 2023 5:22 am

guys, thanks for input and support. I'm thinking about modular reverb as well. Unlike B2 that has two identical engines I'd like to experiment with an idea of having a selection of completely different engines and even make a type of engine that is open for 3rd parties to code.

MogwaiBoy · Post by **MogwaiBoy** » Mon May 01, 2023 7:27 am

2ca wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 5:22 am guys, thanks for input and support. I'm thinking about modular reverb as well. Unlike B2 that has two identical engines I'd like to experiment with an idea of having a selection of completely different engines and even make a type of engine that is open for 3rd parties to code.

Hope that you start a new chapter and put the painful past behind you - release new reverbs yourself, make a decent living and enjoy the success of your hard work. Sending you positive vibes and best wishes Denis

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Mon May 01, 2023 7:39 am

Personally I would prefer effort be expended in the customer's direction by getting 2C Audio products back into production and support. Its a giant ripoff otherwise. The complete disregard for us customers is the true crime in all of this. Everything else is drama, I personally didnt sign up for. Get your sh-together guys. At this point I dont trust either of you as far as I can throw you so you've lost my support unless you get 2C products back on track or give me a refund.

jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Mon May 01, 2023 8:21 am

I don’t think that’s possible at this point, and even if it were, it doesn’t appear that Denis is the partner you need to be appealing to.

All Denis can really do now is move on and do his own thing.

2ca · Post by **2ca** » Mon May 01, 2023 9:16 am

I'm developing my own plug-ins and some of them might be a replacement for 2C products.
What I can do for legal 2CA users is to offer them a free copy of my product(s) when they are ready in order to appreciate their past investment into me.