KVR Audio

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Thu May 04, 2023 12:37 pm

I personally think Behringer should concentrate on their own unique designs. Every single one they've made is absolutely magnificent! Deepmind and Neutron are both constantly in use here. Unfortunately it's the consumers who dictate what is worth selling.

My next analogue synth will most likely be Behringer's Neutron successor/companion synth (the Proton), if they ever get it out the door. The few audio demos available of it (over at Gearspace.com) sound friggin awesome and the features complement each other nicely.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Thu May 04, 2023 2:04 pm

BONES wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 7:21 am Yeah but it only has a low-pass filter. That seems pointless to me. I wouldn't swap my Uno Pro for one. Thinking about it, I wouldn't swap my Uno Pro for anything less than an Aston Martin.

Plenty of synths that only had lowpass and it didn't stop them being very popular and very useful. TBH, I can't remember anything other than lowpass on OSCars, but they were one of the best synths ever made IMO. Crappy Junos were all lowpass, and they were the most popular analogues ever sold. 303 - nuff said. Legendary lowpass-only synths, whether you like it or not. I barely ever use highpasses and only occasionally bandpass. Must be something like 90% of sounds for me are lowpass. I won't miss a plethora of filter types on a $399 poly analogue.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Thu May 04, 2023 2:09 pm

bmanic wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 12:37 pm I personally think Behringer should concentrate on their own unique designs. Every single one they've made is absolutely magnificent! Deepmind and Neutron are both constantly in use here. Unfortunately it's the consumers who dictate what is worth selling.

My next analogue synth will most likely be Behringer's Neutron successor/companion synth (the Proton), if they ever get it out the door. The few audio demos available of it (over at Gearspace.com) sound friggin awesome and the features complement each other nicely.

Definitely. Proton is probably top of my list for yet-to-be-released synths. I'll buy one unseen/unheard. Neutron just didn't quite have enough on it to make me really want it, but Proton has everything. The only thing that would make me wait for buying a Proton (if they ever come out) would be if they released the VCS3, or even more the stuff of dreams - OSCar. But they announced the OSCar years ago when Deepmind was but an embryo and nothing came of it, so I suspect it's unlikely they'll release a VCS3. But I can wet dream...

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Thu May 04, 2023 2:19 pm

Oh man! If they ever release the VCS3 or OSCar those go to the top of my list as well.

I do love my Neutron dearly. It's got such unique range of sounds that it's capable of. I've also used it as the input source for my Kurzweil K2500X live mode and it's absolutely amazing for that as it suddenly becomes "polyphonic" and can do crazy shit like this:

Kurzweil K2500 - Live mode - Neutron as input (5.4mb mp3, GDrive)

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri May 05, 2023 12:18 am

kritikon wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 2:04 pmPlenty of synths that only had lowpass and it didn't stop them being very popular and very useful.

Big Macs are very popular but I'd still rather eat the cardboard box it comes in. If this was $50, the lack of other filter types would be fine but it's way too much money to be dropping on something with that limitation in 2023. I've already got more than enough of those kinds of things.

TBH, I can't remember anything other than lowpass on OSCars, but they were one of the best synths ever made IMO.

That's probably why I've never found a use for impOSCar, even though I've owned it for years. To be clear, it's not like every second patch I put into a song uses a notch filter or anything, but playing around with filter modes is definitely a big part of the way I go about making patches.

Crappy Junos were all lowpass, and they were the most popular analogues ever sold. 303 - nuff said.

Two of my least favourtie synths of all time that only sold at all because they were so cheap. I literally couldn't give my 303s away after I'd bought a proper sequencer and, even though I owned two, I would never have thought to use the onboard synths, they were strictly sequencers for me. This is the only band I ever saw who dared to use one on stage -

These guys were great live. I used to see them quite regularly but, like so many great bands of the time, they didn't last long and this is the only thing they ever recorded AFAIK.

dellboy · Post by **dellboy** » Fri May 05, 2023 7:34 am

kritikon wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 2:04 pm
BONES wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 7:21 am Yeah but it only has a low-pass filter. That seems pointless to me. I wouldn't swap my Uno Pro for one. Thinking about it, I wouldn't swap my Uno Pro for anything less than an Aston Martin.
Plenty of synths that only had lowpass and it didn't stop them being very popular and very useful. TBH, I can't remember anything other than lowpass on OSCars, but they were one of the best synths ever made IMO. Crappy Junos were all lowpass, and they were the most popular analogues ever sold. 303 - nuff said. Legendary lowpass-only synths, whether you like it or not. I barely ever use highpasses and only occasionally bandpass. Must be something like 90% of sounds for me are lowpass. I won't miss a plethora of filter types on a $399 poly analogue.

I may well be missing something here, but all the Juno's have high pass filters.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Fri May 05, 2023 3:47 pm

No. The high-pass filters were more like simple shelving Eq. No sweepable frequency, no resonance. Not what you'd call a filter. Some of them only even had 4 settings.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri May 05, 2023 3:56 pm

kritikon wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 2:04 pm TBH, I can't remember anything other than lowpass on OSCars

weird, it has a much more interesting filter architecture than most.

Two 12dB/oct analog filters which can be linked in series for 24dB/oct configuration. Lowpass, bandpass, highpass modes. Dedicated ADSR envelope, Frequency Cutoff and Resonance controls.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Fri May 05, 2023 4:10 pm

Yeah, the separatable filters were quite unique. Might just be my memory filtering everything but the low passes. Imposcar has quite a few extra filter options, but the actual OSCar...maybe my dementia has already started?

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Fri May 05, 2023 4:12 pm

kritikon wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 4:10 pm Yeah, the separatable filters were quite unique. Might just be my memory filtering everything but the low passes. Imposcar has quite a few extra filter options, but the actual OSCar...maybe my dementia has already started?

When they handed out dementia, couldn't you get the nostalgia-kind? (remembering everything a lot better than it actually was)

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Fri May 05, 2023 4:32 pm

I wish. But I'm pretty sure synths are like chocolate. They get smaller, bloody sure of it. Like Wagon Wheels, and Club biscuits are tiny nowadays. An OSCar would have been about the size of my house back in the day. Maybe it's because the biggest noises are always parps, boings and basses...which all use lowpass in my world.

Want to buy my first analog synth.