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whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri May 12, 2023 10:10 am

Oh, and for anyone who actually falls for the blatant strawman argument being made there, please educate yourself on the reality of the 'deliberately sounding like someone else' scenario as it has existed for decades...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound-alike
https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/how-adve ... ite-songs/

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Fri May 12, 2023 1:37 pm

How do you do the 'Cher effect'? - (flashback thread query courtesy O)

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri May 12, 2023 2:27 pm

whyterabbyt wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 10:10 am Oh, and for anyone who actually falls for the blatant strawman argument being made there, please educate yourself on the reality of the 'deliberately sounding like someone else' scenario as it has existed for decades...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound-alike
https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/how-adve ... ite-songs/

Or sounding like no one. My daughter’s getting into music, and like all 10 year olds, it’s not great, and she listens to a lot of Taylor Swift, and I swear that every time I hear one of her songs that I don’t know, I say, “who’s this?” Even my daughter doesn’t recognize her. Her voice is so generic and characterless that I’m sure she could have an AI easily model it and stay home and let the AI handle things while she stays home.

I doubt it will effect live music that much, as much as there is live music. I don’t think anyone will want to watch a laptop sing.

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Fri May 12, 2023 5:32 pm

osiris wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 1:37 pm How do you do the 'Cher effect'? - (flashback thread query courtesy O)

You can do it with the T‑Pain effect that iZotope used to sell. Maybe you can get a 2nd hand copy somewhere?

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Fri May 12, 2023 9:03 pm

How can I sound like Daft Punk?

jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Fri May 12, 2023 11:29 pm

osiris wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 1:37 pm How do you do the 'Cher effect'? - (flashback thread query courtesy O)

Auto-Tune

Her producers lied at the time and said it was a DigiTech Whammy pedal, though, to keep it a secret.

DCrown · Post by **DCrown** » Sat May 13, 2023 5:12 am

"In the old days everything was so much better"
B4 electrified, amplified instruments, b4 itb, b4 autotune...
Always the same. Art is not static.
Even live performances might be replaced by holograms.
Does it make me happy?
I don't care, I don't belong to the young
generation any more!
Isn't it even a kind of recognition, when you will still hear the voice of Ray Charles in productions of 2050 and later?

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Sat May 13, 2023 1:02 pm

They already litigated this in 199

https://via.library.depaul.edu/cgi/view ... text=jatip

'The rights of both living and deceased celebrities may also be
protected under trademark law if some aspect of the celebrity's
identity is used as an identifier of goods or services. A trademark
is defined as any "word, name, symbol, or device, or any
combination thereof. . . used by a person . ..to identify and
distinguish his or her goods, including a unique product, from
those manufactured or sold by others and to indicate the source of
the goods, even if that source is unknown."" Since the
requirement for trademark protection is that the celebrity's identity
be used to identify goods or services, there is no distinction
between the trademark protection of living and deceased
celebrities. Unlike copyrights or rights of publicity, there is no
arbitrary limitation on the duration of the rights. Trademark rights
endure as long as the marks are being used.'

Now, this was about CGI recreations, but couldn't you apply it to singing?

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sat May 13, 2023 3:38 pm

osiris wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 1:02 pm They already litigated this in 199

https://via.library.depaul.edu/cgi/view ... text=jatip

'The rights of both living and deceased celebrities may also be
protected under trademark law if some aspect of the celebrity's
identity is used as an identifier of goods or services. A trademark
is defined as any "word, name, symbol, or device, or any
combination thereof. . . used by a person . ..to identify and
distinguish his or her goods, including a unique product, from
those manufactured or sold by others and to indicate the source of
the goods, even if that source is unknown."" Since the
requirement for trademark protection is that the celebrity's identity
be used to identify goods or services, there is no distinction
between the trademark protection of living and deceased
celebrities. Unlike copyrights or rights of publicity, there is no
arbitrary limitation on the duration of the rights. Trademark rights
endure as long as the marks are being used.'

Now, this was about CGI recreations, but couldn't you apply it to singing?

I’ve got a good friend who’s an IP lawyer, I’ll ask him the next time I see him.

It’s interesting to me, because sometimes I hear people talking and when separated from their image, I’d swear it was someone else. The first time I remember thinking this was in college. I had a professor who left the lecture hall with his wireless mic and kept on lecturing as he tested the limits of the wireless technology. Quickly I realized that he sounded nearly identical to Steven Martin.

I work with a guy who’s of Asian descent, but one day in a Slack huddle, I realized that he sounded identical to Wesley R. Crusher (Will Wheaton) from Star Trek: The Next Generation. It was funny because when I remarked on this, most of the team had no idea what I was talking about, because I’m old.

So would these guys be sued for their obvious similarities to other actors? Why would they get a pass that software does not? If I use a Chris Cornell AI voice on a tune but don’t mention him, am I breaking the law? It’s an interesting time, that’s for sure.

Dirtgrain · Post by **Dirtgrain** » Sat May 13, 2023 4:04 pm

What about Greta Van Fleet? Their singer sounds so much like Robert Plant. Could Plant win a lawsuit against Greta Van Fleet's lead singer? But shouldn't someone who sounds much like another singer still be allowed to make music? Should they be muted? Still, AI mimicking is a different scenario, but I'm not so sure you can copyright (or patent or whatever) a voice.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat May 13, 2023 4:13 pm

Dirtgrain wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 4:04 pm What about Greta Van Fleet? Their singer sounds so much like Robert Plant. Could Plant win a lawsuit against Greta Van Fleet's lead singer? But shouldn't someone who sounds much like another singer still be allowed to make music? Should they be muted? Still, AI mimicking is a different scenario, but I'm not so sure you can copyright (or patent or whatever) a voice.

yes. in fact, once one person sang, they should own the rights to singing!
too many singers these days, same with any instrument. there should be one de facto player allowed.

they can be like the sith and take one apprentice, who will kill them eventually to take over....

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sat May 13, 2023 4:31 pm

vurt wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 4:13 pm
Dirtgrain wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 4:04 pm What about Greta Van Fleet? Their singer sounds so much like Robert Plant. Could Plant win a lawsuit against Greta Van Fleet's lead singer? But shouldn't someone who sounds much like another singer still be allowed to make music? Should they be muted? Still, AI mimicking is a different scenario, but I'm not so sure you can copyright (or patent or whatever) a voice.
yes. in fact, once one person sang, they should own the rights to singing!
too many singers these days, same with any instrument. there should be one de facto player allowed.

they can be like the sith and take one apprentice, who will kill them eventually to take over....

This would be a genius way of forcing new instruments to be discovered.. until every instrument is almost a cloned copy of the next one.. and then around we go again.

.. I've been sitting here on a bench thinking about this for way too long now. Yes, before you ask, I did smoke a nice fat one half an hour ago.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat May 13, 2023 4:34 pm

bmanic wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 4:31 pm
vurt wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 4:13 pm
Dirtgrain wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 4:04 pm What about Greta Van Fleet? Their singer sounds so much like Robert Plant. Could Plant win a lawsuit against Greta Van Fleet's lead singer? But shouldn't someone who sounds much like another singer still be allowed to make music? Should they be muted? Still, AI mimicking is a different scenario, but I'm not so sure you can copyright (or patent or whatever) a voice.
yes. in fact, once one person sang, they should own the rights to singing!
too many singers these days, same with any instrument. there should be one de facto player allowed.

they can be like the sith and take one apprentice, who will kill them eventually to take over....
This would be a genius way of forcing new instruments to be discovered.. until every instrument is almost a cloned copy of the next one.. and then around we go again.

.. I've been sitting here on a bench thinking about this for way too long now. Yes, before you ask, I did smoke a nice fat one half an hour ago.

this may look like your guitaphone, but this is a phonaguit! and has 43 strings and 3 mouthpieces!

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Sat May 13, 2023 9:14 pm

I seem to remember an ad they did and used someone famous CGI, John Wayne for Coors Lite (or whatever) and it caused quite a stir. People really didn't like it.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sun May 14, 2023 1:52 am

vurt wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 4:13 pm
Dirtgrain wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 4:04 pm What about Greta Van Fleet? Their singer sounds so much like Robert Plant. Could Plant win a lawsuit against Greta Van Fleet's lead singer? But shouldn't someone who sounds much like another singer still be allowed to make music? Should they be muted? Still, AI mimicking is a different scenario, but I'm not so sure you can copyright (or patent or whatever) a voice.
yes. in fact, once one person sang, they should own the rights to singing!
too many singers these days, same with any instrument. there should be one de facto player allowed.

they can be like the sith and take one apprentice, who will kill them eventually to take over....

I’m thinking Lizzo and Taylor Swift in those roles.

Everyone can sing like everyone