Logic Pro on iPad... ?

[pdxindy]

iPhones are plenty powerful. Imagine, no need to have a PC or Laptop. Just plug in your phone to a dock, with the screen and peripherals, and voila! "Mac Mini" for comfortable office work, and Logic, and stuff.
We have CarPlay, OS within OS. Logic on iPad is a small step in this direction, I think.

pretty sure that's apple's vision of the future. super powerful tablet.. dock it for work/creatives and it's like any computer.. except sandboxed to hell and back and all app purchases go thru the app store. all the guts of the OS are well hidden. devs have to do things apple's way or not at all if they want their stuff to work on the platform.

this is probably some time away though.. further in the future but not that far.. ya know..

They have a task ahead of them then. I doubt many desktop/laptop users want that. File management on iOS is horrible. I would never want to rely on my iPad as a DAW for that reason alone.

[dayjob]

iPhones are plenty powerful. Imagine, no need to have a PC or Laptop. Just plug in your phone to a dock, with the screen and peripherals, and voila! "Mac Mini" for comfortable office work, and Logic, and stuff.
We have CarPlay, OS within OS. Logic on iPad is a small step in this direction, I think.

pretty sure that's apple's vision of the future. super powerful tablet.. dock it for work/creatives and it's like any computer.. except sandboxed to hell and back and all app purchases go thru the app store. all the guts of the OS are well hidden. devs have to do things apple's way or not at all if they want their stuff to work on the platform.

this is probably some time away though.. further in the future but not that far.. ya know..

They have a task ahead of them then. I doubt many desktop/laptop users want that. File management on iOS is horrible. I would never want to rely on my iPad as a DAW for that reason alone.

i can't think of anyone who wants that but it's a common trope in cyberpunk/syfy books/shows/movies and a thing that a lot of people seem to envision. the tech works like magic etc. and everyone is a hacker who jail breaks the device or whatever.

but it's far off kind of stuff and i think from apple's perspective.. if this is where they're headed.. it probably simplifies production of devices if everyone buys the same thing or a variation of the same thing.. the one thing that has desktop power but fits in your pocket. it's tech porn day dream fodder and is obviously nowhere near possible.

i think we'll have laptops and desktops for the foreseeable future in our lifetimes.

[SLiC]

iPhones are plenty powerful. Imagine, no need to have a PC or Laptop. Just plug in your phone to a dock, with the screen and peripherals, and voila! "Mac Mini" for comfortable office work, and Logic, and stuff.
We have CarPlay, OS within OS. Logic on iPad is a small step in this direction, I think.

pretty sure that's apple's vision of the future. super powerful tablet.. dock it for work/creatives and it's like any computer.. except sandboxed to hell and back and all app purchases go thru the app store. all the guts of the OS are well hidden. devs have to do things apple's way or not at all if they want their stuff to work on the platform.

this is probably some time away though.. further in the future but not that far.. ya know..

They have a task ahead of them then. I doubt many desktop/laptop users want that. File management on iOS is horrible. I would never want to rely on my iPad as a DAW for that reason alone.

Yeh, but there are 1.9 Billion iOS users and only 100 Million desktop/laptop users

[machinesworking]

So, some Apple developer support guy telling Markus that AUv2 is deprecated, then Apple releasing Logic on the iPadl, that can host AUv3, I think it's pretty obvious the way this is going, at some point AUv3 will be the standard, and that point is coming quickly I would bet.

I get it, everyones trying to make money, but really CLAP came way too late, AUv3 type support will be necessary soon, unless all the other DAWs are going to let Logic be the only iPad DAW of merit.

AUv3 will be necessary for who? AU doesn't even work on Windows.

Necessary for anyone who wants to support iPad and Mac OS transfers of projects like you will be able to do between Logic on iPad and Logic on Mac. I doubt Steinberg is going to get VST3 to be able to do this.

AUv3 has been the standard for a while on iOS. It is of no real consequence anywhere else.

AUv3 is literally what it says it is, it's the next version of AUv2. That it started on iOS tells you what it's main new feature is. We have all sorts of clues as to what is going on, the name being the numbered next version of AU, Apple developer support telling plug in developers that AUv2 is deprecated, the introduction of a full or near full version of Logic for the iPad that allows "seamless transfers" of projects between them.

I don't know what else we need? for Apple to introduce a version of Logic that does not support AUv2 anymore like Steinberg did with AUv3?

[pdxindy]

Necessary for anyone who wants to support iPad and Mac OS transfers of projects like you will be able to do between Logic on iPad and Logic on Mac. I doubt Steinberg is going to get VST3 to be able to do this.

Right, so it is only relevant to people who use Logic.

[pdxindy]

We have all sorts of clues as to what is going on, the name being the numbered next version of AU, Apple developer support telling plug in developers that AUv2 is deprecated, the introduction of a full or near full version of Logic for the iPad that allows "seamless transfers" of projects between them.

I don't know what else we need? for Apple to introduce a version of Logic that does not support AUv2 anymore like Steinberg did with AUv3?

What's this we? It is only applicable to people who use Logic. And even for Logic users, "seamless transfers" will have various caveats.

Most Mac plugin developers are unlikely to develop for iOS. Most iOS developers are not making their plugins work on Mac, though that is at least a relatively easy option. So "seamless transfers" are mostly only going to work without plugins being used. (this is assuming full Logic compatibility)

[elxsound]

iPhones are plenty powerful. Imagine, no need to have a PC or Laptop. Just plug in your phone to a dock, with the screen and peripherals, and voila! "Mac Mini" for comfortable office work, and Logic, and stuff.
We have CarPlay, OS within OS. Logic on iPad is a small step in this direction, I think.

pretty sure that's apple's vision of the future. super powerful tablet.. dock it for work/creatives and it's like any computer.. except sandboxed to hell and back and all app purchases go thru the app store. all the guts of the OS are well hidden. devs have to do things apple's way or not at all if they want their stuff to work on the platform.

this is probably some time away though.. further in the future but not that far.. ya know..

They have a task ahead of them then. I doubt many desktop/laptop users want that. File management on iOS is horrible. I would never want to rely on my iPad as a DAW for that reason alone.

Yeh, but there are 1.9 Billion iOS users and only 100 Million desktop/laptop users

Reminds me of some of the conversation when Final Cut X was released. I can’t remember who was presenting, but they gave the speech that FCX was not made for the established editors, but it represented features for the next generation.

I’ve never seen so many people unable to use computers enter the workforce. They’re used to doing everything they need on phones and tablets. Before (circa 2007) there was always a gap with some people not having access to computers, but you really can get by without one for many tasks.

In terms of comparatively missing features/workflow options… you can’t miss what you don’t know.

Just adding on that I’ve always considered tablets/phones the future and I just don’t what the transitions period is, but maybe this is it.

[machinesworking]

We have all sorts of clues as to what is going on, the name being the numbered next version of AU, Apple developer support telling plug in developers that AUv2 is deprecated, the introduction of a full or near full version of Logic for the iPad that allows "seamless transfers" of projects between them.

I don't know what else we need? for Apple to introduce a version of Logic that does not support AUv2 anymore like Steinberg did with AUv3?

What's this we? It is only applicable to people who use Logic. And even for Logic users, "seamless transfers" will have various caveats.

Logic is far from the only DAW on Mac OS that uses AU. It's the most important one in terms of the ecosystem, but almost every single DAW besides PT, Bitwig and Cubendo also host AUv2. AUv3 is designed to deal with those caveats I would guess. Why am I having to say this? Objectively you know all this.

Most Mac plugin developers are unlikely to develop for iOS. Most iOS developers are not making their plugins work on Mac, though that is at least a relatively easy option. So "seamless transfers" are mostly only going to work without plugins being used. (this is assuming full Logic compatibility)

100% disagree, you're literally just making things up here. An Apple developer told Markus AUv2 was deprecated, they no longer are developing it, AUYv3 literally in it's very name claims to be the next version. Is that arguable to you? How in fact does it work if AUv2 is deprecated?

For your line of thinking to work Apple has to have decided that AUv3 is it's own thing, completely separate from AUv2 and they just decided to name it like it's the replacement, while deprecating AUv2 and replacing it with what??? AUv4? none of that makes any sense at all, and IMO Apple aren't that sloppy naming wise.

Another clue, iOS and Mac OS are essentially the same at the core, developement for one has started to work for the other with iOS apps working on Mac OS, this isn't a mystery that at some point there's going to be even more of a merger OS wise, the clues are there.

[pdxindy]

Logic is far from the only DAW on Mac OS that uses AU. It's the most important one in terms of the ecosystem, but almost every single DAW besides PT, Bitwig and Cubendo also host AUv2. AUv3 is designed to deal with those caveats I would guess. Why am I having to say this? Objectively you know all this.

Why are you having to say what? I don't know what it is you think you are saying.

Logic is the only DAW that depends on AU. Sure other DAW's support it, but if AU magically ceased to exist, it wouldn't affect them because VST is the primary plugin format.

[pdxindy]

100% disagree, you're literally just making things up here. An Apple developer told Markus AUv2 was deprecated, they no longer are developing it, AUYv3 literally in it's very name claims to be the next version. Is that arguable to you? How in fact does it work if AUv2 is deprecated?

I didn't say a single word about AUv2 vs AUv3. My impression is that you have completely misunderstood what I was saying. No worries... it's not like it matters

[machinesworking]

Logic is far from the only DAW on Mac OS that uses AU. It's the most important one in terms of the ecosystem, but almost every single DAW besides PT, Bitwig and Cubendo also host AUv2. AUv3 is designed to deal with those caveats I would guess. Why am I having to say this? Objectively you know all this.

Why are you having to say what? I don't know what it is you think you are saying.

Logic is the only DAW that depends on AU. Sure other DAW's support it, but if AU magically ceased to exist, it wouldn't affect them because VST is the primary plugin format.

What makes you think VST is the primary plugin format? I rarely run into Mac users that use VST.

[machinesworking]

100% disagree, you're literally just making things up here. An Apple developer told Markus AUv2 was deprecated, they no longer are developing it, AUYv3 literally in it's very name claims to be the next version. Is that arguable to you? How in fact does it work if AUv2 is deprecated?

I didn't say a single word about AUv2 vs AUv3. My impression is that you have completely misunderstood what I was saying. No worries... it's not like it matters

It's just an interesting turn of events that Logic is now on iPad, AUv2 is deprecated, but somehow YOU think that it means nothing because:

AUv3 has been the standard for a while on iOS. It is of no real consequence anywhere else.

You're wrong, that's all, I think the transition is obvious, if you don't that's fine, but you haven't made any compelling arguments otherwise.

[nanostream]

In any case, Logic on iPad will be a strong incentive for developers to create AUv3 plugins. Even now it’s lots of fun to play around with them in Live — there are far more available than just two of them, as someone falsely claimed before —, and I’m looking forward to seeing more of them in the future.

[anugget]

Hard pass for me. Subscription models make companies to produce bad software because they become lazy to inovate because they have guaranteed money flow. If they wont to make you to buy next version companies have to work thier ass off. Subscription is not good for the customers. Only solution is backlash.
Apple strategy is a long game but is clear, do anything to increase installed user base and then use monopolistic position to millk customers as long as you can to create value for the investitors. Soon all will be subscription based on Apple. That's why they increasing stock dividends.

[wuworld]

Hard pass for me. Subscription models make companies to produce bad software because they become lazy to inovate because they have guaranteed money flow. If they wont to make you to buy next version companies have to work thier ass off. Subscription is not good for the customers. Only solution is backlash.
Apple strategy is a long game but is clear, do anything to increase installed user base and then use monopolistic position to millk customers as long as you can to create value for the investitors. Soon all will be subscription based on Apple. That's why they increasing stock dividends.

You know who benefits from this? Steinberg.....