Logic Pro on iPad... ?

[sQeetz]

Same for me... the most important feature for me on my iPhone is security. The second most important feature for me is security. In fact, that is all that matters to me and if Apple is forced to offer side loading, I would like them to make an option to prevent any connection with side loaded iPhones.

Europe is going bonkers on this one. I strongly disagree on State Laws enforcing such stuff...
On the contrary: they should enforce security.
If I wanted uncontrolled madness I would buy any Android Phone. I didn't vote for that

[machinesworking]

Mark my words here, everything points towards AUv3 replacing AUv2, and when it does completely it will be harder for plug in developers to keep them off iOS than on.

AU moving to v3 doesn't mean Mac developers are going to be porting their plugins to iOS. It would still be a major amount of work for a dubious return.

Ah but now they have one of the top 5 DAWs with loads of customers complaining endlessly about being able to transfer products seamlessly. Demand can equal supply, especially if there's a significant dip in product sales, and the amount of additional code is small.

[masterhiggins]

Or stop selling to the EU…

I believe it's too big a market to stop selling to.

Yeah thats a really niave conjecture

Would that just make Mac computers even more expensive as people in the EU opt to simply buy them from 3rd party resellers (or online marketplaces like eBay, etc.)? If there’s a demand I don’t think even the EU could effectively stop it other than ridiculously prosecuting people for buying macs. I wouldn’t put anything last them though.

[superscan]

Yeah, without a doubt, AUv3 is the future. But I’m pretty sure it will be a bumpy and years-long process until the transition is complete. Developers will have their work cut out for them, and I’m not even talking about the technical stuff. All these open questions about sustainable business models, distribution, support and so on will cause a lot of headaches, I suppose.

Not sure if you’re familiar with Pianoteq VST from Modardt but it’s well worth looking into from a case study of how this can be a win-win for all. They’ve had their VSTi for years and this part week released a full port to IOS. The authorization piece / unlock of the full version ties into their own website login through the App Store. They’ve always allowed three computers / slots to be authorized, so it takes any combination of PC/MAC or IOS.

Granted this doesn’t solve the other issues for large libraries or localized / connected storage for iPad.

[pdxindy]

Not sure if you’re familiar with Pianoteq VST from Modardt but it’s well worth looking into from a case study of how this can be a win-win for all. They’ve had their VSTi for years and this part week released a full port to IOS. The authorization piece / unlock of the full version ties into their own website login through the App Store. They’ve always allowed three computers / slots to be authorized, so it takes any combination of PC/MAC or IOS.

Granted this doesn’t solve the other issues for large libraries or localized / connected storage for iPad.

A potential win-win. As it was just released, for all we know, it will end up being a financial failure for Modartt to have spent the time porting to iOS.

[superscan]

Not sure if you’re familiar with Pianoteq VST from Modardt but it’s well worth looking into from a case study of how this can be a win-win for all. They’ve had their VSTi for years and this part week released a full port to IOS. The authorization piece / unlock of the full version ties into their own website login through the App Store. They’ve always allowed three computers / slots to be authorized, so it takes any combination of PC/MAC or IOS.

Granted this doesn’t solve the other issues for large libraries or localized / connected storage for iPad.

A potential win-win. As it was just released, for all we know, it will end up being a financial failure for Modartt to have spent the time porting to iOS.

Yes, perhaps but also investing in their AU v3 work / support for near future versions of MacOS. It’s a tough environment for Dev’s in all areas with of the OS / Hardware changes. As we’ve seen with Native support for M1, it’s frought with fustration and disappointment when it’s not there or fully vetted, but when it works it’s a game changer.

[jens]

At ten pages I am a bit late to the party, but:

I am a self-declared Apple and subscription hater, but:

a) I think fifty bucks a year is firmly in no-brainer territory considering 1. what you get for it (1.1 a super-mature and feature-rich DAW that has been in active development for close to four decades which comes with 1.2 plugin galore of the highest quality and versatility) and 2. what DAW vendors tend to ask for upgrades (Steinberg, Presonus, Reason, etc. )

b) apparently they basically re-desgined Logic's GUI specifically for touch-useage so it should be a joy to use on the iPad

c) the current iPad Pro (sporting the M2) is insane VFM and an amazing mobile solution as it is both super-portable and enormously powerful.

https://browser.geekbench.com/search?ut ... &q=m2+ipad

[sQeetz]

I think I would have kept my iPad Pro if I knew that Logic was going to be released for it...
Maybe...

[apoclypse]

Mark my words here, everything points towards AUv3 replacing AUv2, and when it does completely it will be harder for plug in developers to keep them off iOS than on.

AU moving to v3 doesn't mean Mac developers are going to be porting their plugins to iOS. It would still be a major amount of work for a dubious return.

Ah but now they have one of the top 5 DAWs with loads of customers complaining endlessly about being able to transfer products seamlessly. Demand can equal supply, especially if there's a significant dip in product sales, and the amount of additional code is small.

It's not about whether there is a demand or not. Plugin developers (at least the major ones) are not going to cede 30% of their sales to Apple when they can sell their plugins to users on their desktop and keep all the profit. They also like to control how their software gets updated and distributed (which is why I have 10 different launcher from 10 different companies on my machine). Unless Apple addresses that I don't see a lot of uptake of 3rd party instruments on the iPad from the likes of NI, Waves, etc.

[pdxindy]

It's not about whether there is a demand or not. Plugin developers (at least the major ones) are not going to cede 30% of their sales to Apple when they can sell their plugins to users on their desktop and keep all the profit. They also like to control how their software gets updated and distributed (which is why I have 10 different launcher from 10 different companies on my machine). Unless Apple addresses that I don't see a lot of uptake of 3rd party instruments on the iPad from the likes of NI, Waves, etc.

Also, if you code on iOS, it is trivial to release it on Mac... but if you code on Mac, it can be a huge change/work to port to iOS. It is not trivial at all.

And the ROI is not a sure thing. Developers not only have to give the cut to Apple, but iOS users expect cheaper prices overall so developers feel forced to lower their prices. Then there is the concern about devaluing their product by selling the same plugin at very different prices on the 2 platforms.

[SLiC]

There are many, many more prospective users on iOS than MacOS so maybe worth a punt…
I guess there is litt.e or no pirating on iOS either…not sure what that’s like in the MAC world but it’s rife on PCs so must make a dent on revenues….

Anyway, logic now on my iPad, but of a learning curve but I’m enjoying it so far (other than the top left arrow which I keep pressing by mistake!)

30 years of making music with DAWs and this is the first time I have used Logic…I suspect I am one of many!

[pdxindy]

There are many, many more prospective users on iOS than MacOS so maybe worth a punt…
I guess there is litt.e or no pirating on iOS either…not sure what that’s like in the MAC world but it’s rife on PCs so must make a dent on revenues….

Anyway, logic now on my iPad, but of a learning curve but I’m enjoying it so far (other than the top left arrow which I keep pressing by mistake!)

30 years of making music with DAWs and this is the first time I have used Logic…I suspect I am one of many!

I look forward to hearing how it deals with MPE. Logic is not a favorite of mine for MPE because it doesn't display expression data with the note... and pitch is not in semitones. Logic isn't really MPE, but more note per channel. You can have as many CC#'s be per channel as you want. It's not limited to AT, CC74 etc.

[SLiC]

There are many, many more prospective users on iOS than MacOS so maybe worth a punt…
I guess there is litt.e or no pirating on iOS either…not sure what that’s like in the MAC world but it’s rife on PCs so must make a dent on revenues….

Anyway, logic now on my iPad, but of a learning curve but I’m enjoying it so far (other than the top left arrow which I keep pressing by mistake!)

30 years of making music with DAWs and this is the first time I have used Logic…I suspect I am one of many!

I look forward to hearing how it deals with MPE. Logic is not a favorite of mine for MPE because it doesn't display expression data with the note... and pitch is not in semitones. Logic isn't really MPE, but more note per channel. You can have as many CC#'s be per channel as you want. It's not limited to AT, CC74 etc.

I may try it with my AERE but in all honesty that isn’t really how or why I use an iPad for music…I rarely even use an external keyboard now….more likely to just program stuff in holding the pad in one hand…I am going to try recording guitar in though with my new little apogee jam x as I have the full AmpliTube and TONEX apps so it could be a great guitar sketchpad.

[Tronam]

It's missing almost all of the things I was expecting them to leave out like video support for scoring to picture, the event and notation editors, environment, MIDI transformer and many of the deeper, more esoteric editing tools, but I still think it's a promising start for new users. Considering the limited plug-in parity between macOS and iPadOS right now, I can't imagine any serious Logic user switching to this for at least another few years, but it's an amazing upgrade for people using iOS GarageBand and I think that's the real target audience for this initially. As an iPad DAW I'd say it still trails behind Cubasis 3 in various ways, but I do like that they managed to bring over almost all of the native plugins. It's a little baffling though that both Sampler and Alchemy, though desktop compatible, have cut down interfaces. It makes me wonder if those earlier rumors about a 2024-2025 timeframe for these releases were true, but they just decided to rush them out early to avoid more backlash over lacking commitment to their own platform. Davinci Resolve is already a tough act to follow, but it would've been even worse a few years from now. Here's hoping they keep updating and improving these apps on a regular basis to bring them closer to feature parity with desktop.

[apoclypse]

One thing I like about the iPad version of the app (based on screenshots) is the interface. I like the "tiles" view for plugins and the more minimalistic look to the app than current Logic. Hopefully some of that will make it to the desktop version.