I'm looking at the options for voice to MIDI, so that I can use singing/humming etc. to come up with ideas in a different way really.
There's one called Imitone which is cheap but I can't find much info on it, and it doesn't have a trial. I'm not sure if it's a plug-in even or just stand alone?
https://imitone.com
Also there's DUBLER which doesn't appear to have a demo and is pricier.
https://vochlea.com/products/dubler2
I know I can do all this (not in real time) using audio to midi in my DAW but I thought it might be fun to try in real time.
Just wondered if anyone had experience of these or similar ?
Voice to MIDI
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- KVRian
- 1078 posts since 27 Nov, 2003 from UK, Polegate
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35497 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
I'd avoid Imitone like the plague. The developer is a dilettane, originally raised money on Kickstarter nearly ten years ago now, overpromised on something they didnt kow how to do, still hasnt delivered a final product.
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An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35497 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Also : I seem to recall that Waves' OVox was received well for its voice-MIDI capabilities...
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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Yadrichik_Chaya Yadrichik_Chaya https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=531824 - KVRian
- 701 posts since 5 Oct, 2021
Dodo Midi 2 is such a great plugin that I decided not to buy Dubler 2! 
And it is FREE!
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/dodo-midi-by-dodo-bird
https://dodobirdmusic.com/dodo-midi/
And it is FREE!
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/dodo-midi-by-dodo-bird
https://dodobirdmusic.com/dodo-midi/
Fusion
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1078 posts since 27 Nov, 2003 from UK, Polegate
Thanks for warning, I vaguely recall reading something about that a long time ago now you mention itwhyterabbyt wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 10:48 am I'd avoid Imitone like the plague. The developer is a dilettane, originally raised money on Kickstarter nearly ten years ago now, overpromised on something they didnt kow how to do, still hasnt delivered a final product.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1078 posts since 27 Nov, 2003 from UK, Polegate
thanks, will check it outYadrichik_Chaya wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 11:12 am Dodo Midi 2 is such a great plugin that I decided not to buy Dubler 2!
And it is FREE!
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/dodo-midi-by-dodo-bird
https://dodobirdmusic.com/dodo-midi/
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- KVRist
- 222 posts since 18 Aug, 2008
I tried this with various guitar to midi things and no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't produce one midi note that didn't produce warbling midi due to human (me anyway) pitch variations.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1078 posts since 27 Nov, 2003 from UK, Polegate
This is true. I think you have to use them with a pitch correction tool that keeps you in a certain scale, or edit the MIDI a lot.bitman wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 1:18 pm I tried this with various guitar to midi things and no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't produce one midi note that didn't produce warbling midi due to human (me anyway) pitch variations.
I've uncovered a few options for guitar to MIDI, I think jam origin has had favourable reviews
https://www.jamorigin.com
Something called Migic which I know nothing about.
https://migic.com
I'm guessing you could use voice as well on those ?
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Yadrichik_Chaya Yadrichik_Chaya https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=531824
- KVRian
- 701 posts since 5 Oct, 2021
But not in real-time 
Fusion
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 14312 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
Melda's free MTuner has a midi-out function. Obviously it's main purpose is a tuner, but the output's actually not bad, and it will send pitch bend.
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- KVRAF
- 6542 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin
Jam Origins Midi Guitar and Midi Bass are the best I've found. Can highly recommend, AFAIK there is a new version in the works as well. Of course it's optimised for Guitar/Bass, but you should be able to use it for basic voice stuff.
Imitone is - like was said above - one of the most fascinating long time studies in procrastination, developer hallucinations and thickheadedness.
The product as such is pretty good actually and already was when he started the kickstarter.
The standalone works well enough.
The main problem is, that the dev has some kind of perception disorder in that he is absolutely convinced that the STANDALONE is how god meant Imitone to be used by the unwashed masses to change music forever.
Now for everybody with a DAW, a STANDALONE is a major pain in the behind, but even though everybody BUT god himself tried to convince the dev that a plugin makes much more sense and shouldn't be such a big deal to create actually, he somehow managed to take many years to produce it (although it was one of the reached goals in the kickstarter), didn't give it a user interface (although the standalone had a very good one from day one) and it's in some semi-usable state where you get two VSTs, one is receiving the midi from the STANDALONE (remember, god, right?) which at least on Windows with ASIO drivers is a totally borked concept and the second doesn't send out normal midi (he didn't get the email that this can be done in VST3) but uses VST3 expressions, probably the only plugin on earth doing that - at least you get the notes... - the VST2 sends the pitchbend data though.
So you get a VST without GUI that is still marked as early alpha and the installer doesn't install it by default, 9 years after the kickstarter, but his main and sacred goal is achieving the absolute in voice recognition - creating something usable in the here and now has the lowest possible priority for him.
But hey, he worked on the MIDI 2.0 standard in the meantime (probably the reason why we don't see anybody implementing it, it got evanBalstered! ).
He'll probably become totally obsolete when somebody does train an ML/AI on realtime audio to midi.
But if you have a lot of humour, time and are curious to read some of the most harebrained explanations on why the VST still has no GUI, you can ask him if you can get a refund if it doesn't work for you, he used to do that.
For me it's a kind of running joke thing that reminds me that we humans only THINK we are intelligent and conscious...
Cheers,
Tom
Imitone is - like was said above - one of the most fascinating long time studies in procrastination, developer hallucinations and thickheadedness.
The product as such is pretty good actually and already was when he started the kickstarter.
The standalone works well enough.
The main problem is, that the dev has some kind of perception disorder in that he is absolutely convinced that the STANDALONE is how god meant Imitone to be used by the unwashed masses to change music forever.
Now for everybody with a DAW, a STANDALONE is a major pain in the behind, but even though everybody BUT god himself tried to convince the dev that a plugin makes much more sense and shouldn't be such a big deal to create actually, he somehow managed to take many years to produce it (although it was one of the reached goals in the kickstarter), didn't give it a user interface (although the standalone had a very good one from day one) and it's in some semi-usable state where you get two VSTs, one is receiving the midi from the STANDALONE (remember, god, right?) which at least on Windows with ASIO drivers is a totally borked concept and the second doesn't send out normal midi (he didn't get the email that this can be done in VST3) but uses VST3 expressions, probably the only plugin on earth doing that - at least you get the notes... - the VST2 sends the pitchbend data though.
So you get a VST without GUI that is still marked as early alpha and the installer doesn't install it by default, 9 years after the kickstarter, but his main and sacred goal is achieving the absolute in voice recognition - creating something usable in the here and now has the lowest possible priority for him.
But hey, he worked on the MIDI 2.0 standard in the meantime (probably the reason why we don't see anybody implementing it, it got evanBalstered!
).He'll probably become totally obsolete when somebody does train an ML/AI on realtime audio to midi.
But if you have a lot of humour, time and are curious to read some of the most harebrained explanations on why the VST still has no GUI, you can ask him if you can get a refund if it doesn't work for you, he used to do that.
For me it's a kind of running joke thing that reminds me that we humans only THINK we are intelligent and conscious...
Cheers,
Tom
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- KVRAF
- 14236 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced
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- KVRian
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- 1078 posts since 27 Nov, 2003 from UK, Polegate
I do remember seeing a thread about this a long time ago, I think the developer was offering a paid update to his software , which as you say had been paid for already by kickstarter, and was still unfinished. and he was repyling to the criticisms with a weird gobbledegook.ThomasHelzle wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 8:46 pm
Imitone is - like was said above - one of the most fascinating long time studies in procrastination, developer hallucinations and thickheadedness.
The product as such is pretty good actually and already was when he started the kickstarter.
The standalone works well enough.
The main problem is, that the dev has some kind of perception disorder in that he is absolutely convinced that the STANDALONE is how god meant Imitone to be used by the unwashed masses to change music forever.
Now for everybody with a DAW, a STANDALONE is a major pain in the behind, but even though everybody BUT god himself tried to convince the dev that a plugin makes much more sense and shouldn't be such a big deal to create actually, he somehow managed to take many years to produce it (although it was one of the reached goals in the kickstarter), didn't give it a user interface (although the standalone had a very good one from day one) and it's in some semi-usable state where you get two VSTs, one is receiving the midi from the STANDALONE (remember, god, right?) which at least on Windows with ASIO drivers is a totally borked concept and the second doesn't send out normal midi (he didn't get the email that this can be done in VST3) but uses VST3 expressions, probably the only plugin on earth doing that - at least you get the notes... - the VST2 sends the pitchbend data though.
So you get a VST without GUI that is still marked as early alpha and the installer doesn't install it by default, 9 years after the kickstarter, but his main and sacred goal is achieving the absolute in voice recognition - creating something usable in the here and now has the lowest possible priority for him.
But hey, he worked on the MIDI 2.0 standard in the meantime (probably the reason why we don't see anybody implementing it, it got evanBalstered!
He'll probably become totally obsolete when somebody does train an ML/AI on realtime audio to midi.
But if you have a lot of humour, time and are curious to read some of the most harebrained explanations on why the VST still has no GUI, you can ask him if you can get a refund if it doesn't work for you, he used to do that.
For me it's a kind of running joke thing that reminds me that we humans only THINK we are intelligent and conscious...
Cheers,
Tom
Delusions of grandeur?
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 14312 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
Not with live input though.
On the subject of non-live conversion, this is really good;
https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/0 ... udio-midi/
Polyphonic and coped pretty well so far with a lot I've thrown at it, even did a fair job on the mic recorded 12 string acoustic guitar (which always tends to throw these type of things given the doubled and octave strings).