Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[jsp1979]

No there isn't.

Well, then they've removed it within the last month as that's exactly how I got it on April 11, 2023

The demo download is still under Trial Versions in my account.

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[zvenx]

For completeness I had contacted Support at Vengeance and they said there is no expiry date for choosing all.

"The “Free Expansions” got no expire date. You got as much time as you need to choose your Expansions. You could also wait for future Expansions that are not released yet."



rsp

And the 5XP packs price at 147usd also....

Yup - that's a very good deal.

Remind me please.
If I buy the 5XP I don't have to choose all at the same time correct?
Tbh I am only interested in the two Big Tone Expansions... (to my non EDM ear, almost all of the rest sound the same to me, though I have already bought Melodic Techno 1&2 on a PB sale, but I haven't really used them.)
But ideally could I buy this, choose the 2 Big Tone Expansion and sometime in the future slowly choose my other 3, as more expansions get released?

And if this is possible, anyone know how long I can take to choose all 5?
rsp

[Jac459]

What exactly has automation to do with it? I do not automate anything. And I just gave you an example preset, there are far worse presets.

I think if you use our not doesn't matter, bitwig still need to check.

It is not all counter intuitive, bitwig has a lot of modulations, if each need to check, it is a scalar product ... maybe it can be optimized...

[ATS]

I read something about Avenger 2, is this still coming?

[c0LIn]

I read something about Avenger 2, is this still coming?

I think Manuel said that planned release is 3rd / 4th quarter of 2023.

[noiseboyuk]

I read something about Avenger 2, is this still coming?

I think Manuel said that planned release is 3rd / 4th quarter of 2023.

Yup, details of what is known on the 2.0 thread here:

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[Hanz Meyzer]

What exactly has automation to do with it? I do not automate anything. And I just gave you an example preset, there are far worse presets.

I think if you use our not doesn't matter, bitwig still need to check.

It is not all counter intuitive, bitwig has a lot of modulations, if each need to check, it is a scalar product ... maybe it can be optimized...

Well, still this would not explain why there is a spike on note start, since most automation works all the time...?

As far as I understand normal synth automation, most parameters are globally applied. Only the ADSR might be somehow per voice base? But even if all parameters would be applied on voice level, so each voice had an instance of each parameter, like a synth supporting MPE or CLAP, the programmer could pre-reserve memory and then limit the maximum polyphony, then only pointers which be instantiated per voice instance. Maybe this breaks a bit a oo style of programming, but then there could be a voice manager. What I am trying to say, there are numerous ways to improve performance by using a different design pattern. Indeed, Avenger has a mass of vst parameters, but Synthmaster2 has a similar amount and performs much better, without spikes.

Maybe it would be better to map vst parameters, so the user sets a mapping/sets macro controls only, to limit the amount. Like Falcon or MSoundFactory do.

I have the feeling that Rene told you a straw man argument, which makes me doubt that they have any intention to fix it... Well, life goes on. Btw. did you ever try MSoundfactory? The gui is quite a horror, but you can produce almost any kind of synthesis, and it's super duper faaast and optimized.

[Opaloka1974]

Opinions please as I can't make up my mind what to do.
I am currently using my Yamaha Montage 6 as the midi keyboard for Avenger which apart from not finding a way to assigning the 2 macro buttons works well. The other advantage is that the Montage has a built in audio interface so the output from Avenger goes back to the Montage and then to my mixer which outputs to powered speakers. This means that I can control the volume from Avenger via the Montage volume controller. But my dilemma is that I very rarely use the built in sounds of the Montage and it seems such a waste of the ability of the instrument and if I sold it and replaced it with a Midi controller such as the Novation SL Mk3 I would have a fair amount of cash available to purchase expansion packs and other VST software.
I am not into making my own sounds and use Avenger for its pre-sets although I am now starting to play more with the settings such as tweaking the Arps. I also have a Yamaha Genos and this with the Avenger sounds via the Montage gives me great playing options. I keep going back and forth in my head whether to sell or keep the Montage which is driving me nuts so would appreciate any opinions or advise. Is the Novation SL Mk3 a good midi keyboard to use with Avenger (I use Ableton Live as the DAW) or is there something better and being a lot cheaper than the Montage would I be disappointed with the quality of the keys on a midi keyboard.

[AxlMaldini]

Opinions please as I can't make up my mind what to do.
I am currently using my Yamaha Montage 6 as the midi keyboard for Avenger which apart from not finding a way to assigning the 2 macro buttons works well. The other advantage is that the Montage has a built in audio interface so the output from Avenger goes back to the Montage and then to my mixer which outputs to powered speakers. This means that I can control the volume from Avenger via the Montage volume controller. But my dilemma is that I very rarely use the built in sounds of the Montage and it seems such a waste of the ability of the instrument and if I sold it and replaced it with a Midi controller such as the Novation SL Mk3 I would have a fair amount of cash available to purchase expansion packs and other VST software.
I am not into making my own sounds and use Avenger for its pre-sets although I am now starting to play more with the settings such as tweaking the Arps. I also have a Yamaha Genos and this with the Avenger sounds via the Montage gives me great playing options. I keep going back and forth in my head whether to sell or keep the Montage which is driving me nuts so would appreciate any opinions or advise. Is the Novation SL Mk3 a good midi keyboard to use with Avenger (I use Ableton Live as the DAW) or is there something better and being a lot cheaper than the Montage would I be disappointed with the quality of the keys on a midi keyboard.

The Montage is a great beast, but Avenger is another galaxy. If you don't use the Yamaha sounds, sell it, get a medium interface (Focusrite or similar) and a controller like the Novation is very good, and then with the money you get from the sale of the Montage buy expansions for the Avenger. Good luck!

[Opaloka1974]

Thanks for your reply and I have come to the same conclusion.
I have narrowed the Midi controller down to either the Novation SL Mk3 61 or the Arturia Keylab MkII 61, has anyone got experience of using either of these controllers with Avenger or offer advice on which one would be better. I will only be using the keyboard to play "live" from the presets and not for any recording.
Thanks in advance.

[c0LIn]

Indeed, Avenger has a mass of vst parameters, but Synthmaster2 has a similar amount and performs much better, without spikes.

is there any info about the amount of parameters for Synthmasters 2 ?
Where did you get this info from ?

[Trancit]

Indeed, Avenger has a mass of vst parameters, but Synthmaster2 has a similar amount and performs much better, without spikes.

is there any info about the amount of parameters for Synthmasters 2 ?
Where did you get this info from ?

I counted what these 2 report in Reaper:

Avenger: 1972 parameters
SM 2: 1557

Not exactly the same but in the same ballpark...

[pizzatime]

Just a few suggestions:
Could we get a dry /wet control on the master filter please?
Granular sounds amazing but please go down to 2 grains a second.
When hovering near envelope points please 'snap' to nearest point like Vital synth for example.
Make it MPE please - becoming an essential feature for the top VSTs now.

Can't wait for version 2.

[c0LIn]

Indeed, Avenger has a mass of vst parameters, but Synthmaster2 has a similar amount and performs much better, without spikes.

is there any info about the amount of parameters for Synthmasters 2 ?
Where did you get this info from ?

I counted what these 2 report in Reaper:

Avenger: 1972 parameters
SM 2: 1557

Not exactly the same but in the same ballpark...

Okay, so Reaper may not see all Parameters.
In FL Studio for example i can assign 2113 Parameters. But i think this is a limitation in FL Studio.

[Jac459]

Yes and apparently the real number is 6000... not 2k....