Ableton Push 3 - standalone MPE controller

[whyterabbyt]

I have no idea why you are so upset about me me saying

Im not, that's just more strawman bullshit on your part, another cruddy excuse to keep your argument going.
Everything you keep fabricating is utterly irrelevant to me, and unrelated to the simple answer I gave to a simple question. I really dont care what's available, what's not available, what other devices might have answered the question, what's competition for what, or any of it. I answered someone else's simple question with a simple answer, and your annoyingly pointless quibbles over what you think that answer 'means' about any device whatsoever have f**k-all to do with my answer, or opinions or thoughts on the matter. What got you so upset that you just had to find a reason to undermine my response to my answer to someone else?
Did me mentioning some other product tweak your sensitive Ableton fanboy sensibilities? Did you rush in to save them from some perceived slight of not being the only 'drum pad or launchpad' MPE devices around. Certainly seems like it.
I literally named two 'drum pad or launchpad' MPE devices because someone seemed not to know of any. That's it. That's all of it. Nothing to see here, nothing for you to fidget and fuss over as to 'availability' or 'competition' or 'upset' or the other crap you're making up.


So toddle off and pester someone else... m'kay?

[Trensharo]

I see that it only comes with Live Intro installed. That feels like a bit of an insult for $1,999US pricing, Lol.

ADAT isn't really that big a deal, especially if you're going to be "plugging this into a laptop to make a small studio," considering you can buy a Maschine MK3, M1 MacBook Air and an Audio Interface with ADAT for the same price of less.

You can plug interfaces into laptops, so the built-in interface on these devices isn't really a huge factor in that scenario.

The lack of an arranger view is unfortunate. Seems like it's going to be more popular for live performance, though I'm sure they will sell to some people who think they can work around this. Will probably make for a great market for used Push 3's

That's probably what I would do. Wait for people to start reselling them, and then buy at a pretty discount.

[Trensharo]

I was thinking about travel and portability... my Linnstrument 128, Babyface Pro and laptop fit in a regular knapsack/backpack and nothing needs to be plugged in. I can go sit in the park making music for hours with that setup.

You must live in a nice area if you can get four grands worth of gear out in a park it would be the similar setup with just a Push 3 controller and a laptop…no need for the Babyface. A lot of people will find that option simpler as well as a lot cheaper…it’s less to carry and connect up, just 1 usb cable.

$4 Grand? My laptop alone costs that.
By the time I add in the rest it's over $6G!

The Push 3 is too big to fit in a regular backpack. The Push 3 controller, without the CPU, still weighs more than the Linnstrument and Babyface together, so it isn't less to carry in terms of weight. Personally the weight difference wouldn't matter to me... it's the size that's too big for easy backpack carrying.

Also, when I take my portable setup out, I usually bring a quality condenser mic. Push 3 audio interface does not have phantom power so it doesn't support Condenser mics.

That to me is the problem with these all in one solutions. The audio interface in the Push 3 is not sufficient for my studio use. I already have a higher quality interface and if I were buying the Push 3 would rather not pay for the interface that I wouldn't use.

Overall, I think the Push 3 is excellent and that Ableton did a fantastic job with it. I hope it will be a great success cause that moves MPE forward. Just wouldn't be a choice for me in terms of my portable setup. And of course I already have a Linnstrument, ERAE Touch and Osmose so my MPE needs are covered.

I don’t know whether you’re being serious or taking the piss now, haha

A $4k laptop
A babyface audio interface
A linnstrument
And now a condenser microphone

You take all of that shit to make music in a park?

But the Push 3 is too big???

Haha. You’re killing me here, lol

The "Portability Patrol" users are nothing but walking oxymorons.

[whyterabbyt]

I see that it only comes with Live Intro installed. That feels like a bit of an insult for $1,999US pricing, Lol.

I dont think they'd want folk to think that they had paid twice if they already owned the full version.

[Trensharo]

I see that it only comes with Live Intro installed. That feels like a bit of an insult for $1,999US pricing, Lol.

I dont think they'd want folk to think that they had paid twice if they already owned the full version.

That supposition is illogical.

[SLiC]

This is an interesting read on the new technology developed on the MPE pads

https://cdm.link/2023/05/inside-the-new-ableton-push/

Ultimately an awful lot will depend on how well this plays, but the tech seems promising…

We have two sensor layers, one for the force and one for the finger position. We use inductive contactless sensors. It is proprietary, designed/patented by Oliver Harms and Ralf Suckow. The X/Y is continuous and we can for instance sense in between the pads. There is a lot more we can do with these pads moving forward

[whyterabbyt]

I see that it only comes with Live Intro installed. That feels like a bit of an insult for $1,999US pricing, Lol.

I dont think they'd want folk to think that they had paid twice if they already owned the full version.

That supposition is illogical.

Detail why its illogical, logically, and I'll believe you.

[pdxindy]

This is an interesting read on the new technology developed on the MPE pads

https://cdm.link/2023/05/inside-the-new-ableton-push/

Ultimately an awful lot will depend on how well this plays, but the tech seems promising…

We have two sensor layers, one for the force and one for the finger position. We use inductive contactless sensors. It is proprietary, designed/patented by Oliver Harms and Ralf Suckow. The X/Y is continuous and we can for instance sense in between the pads. There is a lot more we can do with these pads moving forward

That sounds interesting... if they have achieved a new level of sensitivity and responsiveness, that could cause me to consider buying one.

[SLiC]

This is an interesting read on the new technology developed on the MPE pads

https://cdm.link/2023/05/inside-the-new-ableton-push/

Ultimately an awful lot will depend on how well this plays, but the tech seems promising…

We have two sensor layers, one for the force and one for the finger position. We use inductive contactless sensors. It is proprietary, designed/patented by Oliver Harms and Ralf Suckow. The X/Y is continuous and we can for instance sense in between the pads. There is a lot more we can do with these pads moving forward

That sounds interesting... if they have achieved a new level of sensitivity and responsiveness, that could cause me to consider buying one.

Aw you know that’s just the GAS talking now if they get Bitwig running on it (it’s linux based and Moss is a genius) it may be a challenge to resist!

Also be interesting to see who the price comes down when it hits the shops and sales…it really is a decent price if the MPE is top notch and you also use it as DAW controller…

[pdxindy]

Aw you know that’s just the GAS talking now if they get Bitwig running on it (it’s linux based and Moss is a genius) it may be a challenge to resist!

Also be interesting to see who the price comes down when it hits the shops and sales…it really is a decent price if the MPE is top notch and you also use it as DAW controller…

My interest in a DAW controller is approaching zero... hehehe

A new level of sensitive MPE pad controller, that catches my interest

[simmo75]

I don’t know whether you’re being serious or taking the piss now, haha

A $4k laptop
A babyface audio interface
A linnstrument
And now a condenser microphone

You take all of that shit to make music in a park?

But the Push 3 is too big???

Haha. You’re killing me here, lol

Why should the cost have anything to do with it? And yes, I enjoy going for a hike and finding a nice spot to sit and make music. That's weird to you?

And that gear all easily fits in my backpack and the yes, the Push 3 wouldn't. Sometimes I also bring a flute or a small thumb piano. That also fits in the backpack with the other gear and adds very little weight.

Lol! Stop it, please, it’s too funny

[sprnva]

[GruvSyco]

I always thought she was pretty talented but all that video really did for me was make me question how many of her performances are actually performances and how many are polished music videos. I wonder how many actual takes on the coast scene. Could you even record vocals without wind or ocean being picked up by the mic? How fast did the camera person have to move in order to not be picked up in the frame from the drone camera? I dunno… maybe I’m too cynical.

[pdxindy]

I always thought she was pretty talented but all that video really did for me was make me question how many of her performances are actually performances and how many are polished music videos. I wonder how many actual takes on the coast scene. Could you even record vocals without wind or ocean being picked up by the mic? How fast did the camera person have to move in order to not be picked up in the frame from the drone camera? I dunno… maybe I’m too cynical.

I thought that was a good video... a performance and then some explanation of what was happening.

However, with the breeze blowing her hair and shirt while she was singing and not a particularly good wind screen on the mic, I doubt that was recorded on location. Or if so, not when the wind was moving. There were some shots where the grass was still. Her mouth was not very close to the mic considering trying to minimize wind and surf noise.

I don't mind if the vocals were done in multiple takes. I don't consider that cheating or something. Out at the ocean is a challenging location to record.

The two hour battery life seems low. And in the Loopop video, he said if you are pushing it, it is shorter than that. That just doesn't seem like enough to depend on for a performance. I assume one could also use an extra battery pack like with laptops. That would be enough backup then.

[SmajjL]

If Live gets official Linux support because/movitated by the Push3 then i might start crying in public, just saying, not pre-crying though, i believe it when i see it