Ableton Push 3 - standalone MPE controller

[DrGonzo]

ADAT isn't really that big a deal, especially if you're going to be "plugging this into a laptop to make a small studio," considering you can buy a Maschine MK3, M1 MacBook Air and an Audio Interface with ADAT for the same price of less.

Absolutely a valid alternative.

ADAT isn't a big deal for you, but for some it is. Including myself. Also take into consideration that the development of Maschine is beyond a joke by now. NI is keeping the platform alive but that's about it. They do the absolute minimum. Ableton is having a way more active development.

[UtopianLament]

Making Ableton portable and adding ADAT is huge, nice job Ableton.

Ableton has always been portable with a laptop.

Sure but Ableton doesn't run on Linux, a far more stable OS than Windows or MAC, especially in a live setting. So what I should have said was portable and stable.

[SmajjL]

Live run on Linux through WINE pretty ok nowdays, atleast the 11.2.11 did without all the tweaks people used to post.
The cons is the added delay (compared to Windows native) and the offline activation (easiest safe way) to activate.
But if all one do is tempo match or don't care about the added latency, then.. all is fine i guess, but i doubt most the people here limit yourself on that

[bmanic]

Well done Jeremy.

[bmanic]

One thing that Push 3 has going for it, at least from my point of view as a Push 2 owner, is the very high build quality that Ableton usually is known for. I mean, Push 2 as a controller is probably the highest quality external controller that I have available. It was always rock solid and has not faltered at all over the years. All knobs, pads and buttons work perfectly many years later.

The same I can not say for any AKAI products I have (MPC Live, MPK 61) or any NI products I have (Machine Mikro mk2, original Maschine and Maschine mk3 which I have on loan for more than a year now). All of the rest have had some defects where pots wear out, pads go dead etc. Push 2 has been an absolute monster in terms of reliability.

We'll see how reliable Push 3 will be but I suspect it'll be impressive.

The only thing keeping me from considering the standalone model is the battery life. About 90 minutes seems to be the norm if you run even moderately crowded projects. That just isn't enough, no matter how you try to justify it.

[SLiC]

Making Ableton portable and adding ADAT is huge, nice job Ableton.

Ableton has always been portable with a laptop.

Sure but Ableton doesn't run on Linux, a far more stable OS than Windows or MAC, especially in a live setting. So what I should have said was portable and stable.

Push 3 stand-alone is Linux, so live is running on Linux….

[SLiC]

I have no idea why you are so upset about me me saying

Im not, that's just more strawman bullshit on your part, another cruddy excuse to keep your argument going.
Everything you keep fabricating is utterly irrelevant to me, and unrelated to the simple answer I gave to a simple question. I really dont care what's available, what's not available, what other devices might have answered the question, what's competition for what, or any of it. I answered someone else's simple question with a simple answer, and your annoyingly pointless quibbles over what you think that answer 'means' about any device whatsoever have f**k-all to do with my answer, or opinions or thoughts on the matter. What got you so upset that you just had to find a reason to undermine my response to my answer to someone else?
Did me mentioning some other product tweak your sensitive Ableton fanboy sensibilities? Did you rush in to save them from some perceived slight of not being the only 'drum pad or launchpad' MPE devices around. Certainly seems like it.
I literally named two 'drum pad or launchpad' MPE devices because someone seemed not to know of any. That's it. That's all of it. Nothing to see here, nothing for you to fidget and fuss over as to 'availability' or 'competition' or 'upset' or the other crap you're making up.


So toddle off and pester someone else... m'kay?

And I dont care why you made the comment, you named 2, I said one of them want available any more, you cried.
Get over yourself.

[machinesworking]

The only thing keeping me from considering the standalone model is the battery life. About 90 minutes seems to be the norm if you run even moderately crowded projects. That just isn't enough, no matter how you try to justify it.

IMO the main thing holding me back is the lack of Arrangement View features. I guess if Follow Actions are implemented well then that could work? but I haven't seen or heard anything about that at all. It's as of right now one area where the MPCs are clearly superior, and it really shouldn't be the case at all. Lives feature set is IMO just better all around than the MPCs, but not if you can't chain a song together out of Session clips.

I got really excited about the ADAT, and MPE implementation allowing one to work without a traditional computer at all. I'm not at all sure it's worth it if you can't really finish a song in the stand alone version? Hopefully that changes in the future.

Plus a 256GB SSD as the only option?

[SLiC]

Plus a 256GB SSD as the only option?

Currently, but they have said that the SSD, the battery and the 'computer' board' (processor) are three separate upgradable parts and that other options will be available in the future...

Personally I am ordering the Controller only for now as the stand alone can be added at any time (and may have a better battery/processor/storage options later)

The ADAT works brilliantly for me as I have an ES8 in my modular...one optical cable and a lot of CV step sequencing fun with the new CV tools Ableton just added.

[Double Tap]

I see that it only comes with Live Intro installed. That feels like a bit of an insult for $1,999US pricing, Lol.

£539 of software in a £879 controller would be very good value. Or £539 of software for a £879 upgrade kit would also be good value. And people with Suite licences would sell them which would undermine Suite sales.

[whyterabbyt]

And I dont care why you made the comment

You certainly care enough to keep going on and on about it.

Get over yourself.

Take your own advice, kiddo.

[ericj23]

The do your song on a mountain top (or in a park) thing seems like a lot of work. If you need 2 people to carry your gear you could carry a laptop/ a power supply/ a large battery and just use any old thing.

I can see the portability aspect of Push 3 as useful for sitting somewhere else as a break. I largely worked from home in Lockdown and I often changed room to relieve the hell of constant Teams calls while staring at the same wall.

The question for me is how quickly can I take the sketch I do in one room and then complete it (or not in my case!) on the main set up. Maschine+ involves transferrring SD cards (yuchh), Push3 seems to involve a wireless transfer with funky file naming (see the Stimming video) so how does MPC One do it?

[whyterabbyt]

The do your song on a mountain top (or in a park) thing seems like a lot of work. If you need 2 people to carry your gear you could carry a laptop/ a power supply/ a large battery and just use any old thing.

I am surprised 'park and mountain' portability seems to be being seen as a significant factor, compared to 'gig' portability...

[Echoes in the Attic]

Exactly what I was hoping they would do with push. Some of us were talking about this many years ago!
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Looking forward to seeing what moss does with this for Bitwig.

[ericj23]

The do your song on a mountain top (or in a park) thing seems like a lot of work. If you need 2 people to carry your gear you could carry a laptop/ a power supply/ a large battery and just use any old thing.

I am surprised 'park and mountain' portability seems to be being seen as a significant factor, compared to 'gig' portability...

If your gigging you can just take a power supply and there fore laptops and other boxes, Shirley.

But more seriously, I doubt the advert that you can set up your live gear with less hassle is really going to swing too many people into buying one.