Ableton Push 3 - standalone MPE controller

[DrGonzo]

Maybe this have been discussed and in that case I apologise.

Does anyone know what the limits of the standalone is? 8 tracks streaming like the MPCs/Force or is the track count higher? Thinking clean audio tracks. No effects no synths. How many tracks at the same time can you play?

[whyterabbyt]

Maybe this have been discussed and in that case I apologise.

Does anyone know what the limits of the standalone is? 8 tracks streaming like the MPCs/Force or is the track count higher? Thinking clean audio tracks. No effects no synths. How many tracks at the same time can you play?

I dont know the actual limit, cant see it on the site, but its going to be way more than 8 if its running full version of Live on an 11th gen i3. The Intro version installed normally supports 16 tracks, so that might be the cap without a full license, though.

[octopod]

Maybe this have been discussed and in that case I apologise.

Does anyone know what the limits of the standalone is? 8 tracks streaming like the MPCs/Force or is the track count higher? Thinking clean audio tracks. No effects no synths. How many tracks at the same time can you play?

It's limited to 16 tracks if you don't have any other Live license. If you have Standard or Suite then it's there's no limit other than CPU / RAM etc.

For reference I saw a youtube video where someone was playing 30+ channels of Wavetable as a stress test.

(Edited to say 16 tracks instead of 8 as that what Live Intro supports)

[UtopianLament]

Making Ableton portable and adding ADAT is huge, nice job Ableton.

Ableton has always been portable with a laptop.

Sure but Ableton doesn't run on Linux, a far more stable OS than Windows or MAC, especially in a live setting. So what I should have said was portable and stable.

Push 3 stand-alone is Linux, so live is running on Linux….

Yes, I know, that's why I said it's portable and stable now without a laptop that needs to run Windows or MAC OS.

[DrGonzo]

Maybe this have been discussed and in that case I apologise.

Does anyone know what the limits of the standalone is? 8 tracks streaming like the MPCs/Force or is the track count higher? Thinking clean audio tracks. No effects no synths. How many tracks at the same time can you play?

I dont know the actual limit, cant see it on the site, but its going to be way more than 8 if its running full version of Live on an 11th gen i3. The Intro version installed normally supports 16 tracks, so that might be the cap without a full license, though.

All the performance videos I've seen are about how many instances of this and that plugin, but not one focusing on a stress test of the SSD. I agree, I would also expect a higher track count than 8 clean audio tracks. But I've learned to not to make too many assumptions. Would be interested to see how many audio tracks one can get out of the standalone using the full version of Live.

[Double Tap]

Maybe this have been discussed and in that case I apologise.

Does anyone know what the limits of the standalone is? 8 tracks streaming like the MPCs/Force or is the track count higher? Thinking clean audio tracks. No effects no synths. How many tracks at the same time can you play?

I dont know the actual limit, cant see it on the site, but its going to be way more than 8 if its running full version of Live on an 11th gen i3. The Intro version installed normally supports 16 tracks, so that might be the cap without a full license, though.

All the performance videos I've seen are about how many instances of this and that plugin, but not one focusing on a stress test of the SSD. I agree, I would also expect a higher track count than 8 clean audio tracks. But I've learned to not to make too many assumptions. Would be interested to see how many audio tracks one can get out of the standalone using the full version of Live.

The fact that it's restricted to devices bundled with Live would also help keep performance up - the lack of third party devices would usually be a bad thing but it could have some advantages. For the price of a standalone I'd expect to be able to do as much as I can on a midrange laptop so 30+ tracks including synths and effects.

[pc999]

I want to know how fast thy will iterate the cpu/ram upgrades, there is current gen 8 core CPUs from both AMD and Intel on a 15-28W.

They may no be yet in a convenient package as these NUC Elements but how long till they are?

[simmo75]

Ordered the standalone, hope it fits in my backpack, along with my s88mk2, trombone, patchouli and wife, otherwise this shits going straight back to Ableton!

[kxmmeron]

Ordered the standalone, hope it fits in my backpack, along with my s88mk2, trombone, patchouli and wife, otherwise this shits going straight back to Ableton!

You put your wife in your backpack when on the go too? Thought I was the only one..

[machinesworking]

I'm still in shock they seem to have not thought out actually finishing a song on the stand alone version? I've yet to hear any mention of a way to use Follow Actions on it, and there is no Arrangement View, so taking your Session Clips and making a song out of them isn't really happening unless they figure something out.

This is the kind of oversight that drives me nuts about Ableton. I really love that they added in ADAT, CV control, upgradable options, but if you can't complete a song without using the computer what's the point? You don't need a full on Arrangement, just something to chain Session Clips into a song.

[pdxindy]

I'm still in shock they seem to have not thought out actually finishing a song on the stand alone version? I've yet to hear any mention of a way to use Follow Actions on it, and there is no Arrangement View, so taking your Session Clips and making a song out of them isn't really happening unless they figure something out.

I would just get the controller version and use with the laptop. More power, can use plugins and none of the other standalone limitations (and saves $1000).

[machinesworking]

I'm still in shock they seem to have not thought out actually finishing a song on the stand alone version? I've yet to hear any mention of a way to use Follow Actions on it, and there is no Arrangement View, so taking your Session Clips and making a song out of them isn't really happening unless they figure something out.

I would just get the controller version and use with the laptop. More power, can use plugins and none of the other standalone limitations (and saves $1000).

Yeah of course right now that’s the better option. With the MPCs the stand alone version has full song mode. IMO they dropped the ball here. I could literally replace the laptop, Babyface, Linnstrument and Push 2 with one device if one is willing to live with the inherent limitations of that setup. Just something as simple as the song mode (chaining patterns) in the MPCs would be good enough.

[pdxindy]

I would just get the controller version and use with the laptop. More power, can use plugins and none of the other standalone limitations (and saves $1000).

Yeah of course right now that’s the better option. With the MPCs the stand alone version has full song mode. IMO they dropped the ball here. I could literally replace the laptop, Babyface, Linnstrument and Push 2 with one device if one is willing to live with the inherent limitations of that setup. Just something as simple as the song mode (chaining patterns) in the MPCs would be good enough.

I can imagine Ableton adding Follow Actions to Push 3 standalone in an update.

I'd still prefer using a Push 3 controller with a laptop. That would provide 2-3 times as much computing power, use of plugin instruments and effects, Follow Actions, and M4L devices (not all work in standalone and some only partially).

[DrGonzo]

The prices on second hand Push 2s will certainly become very attractive in the near future. And no matter how much the new one is improved, Push 2 is a damn fine controller.

[Goony]

I see push 3 controller version now out of stock 8+ weeks. Glad I got my shipping notification today