True Peak = -0.1 or -0.3 or even -1 ?

[Caine123]

hi guys, im sorry, i could have opened 1 topic and sum it up but i finish 1 thing and next 2 things open... i always had in Fabfiler-L TP at 0 dB, stupid me? i didnt hear any distortion on my WAVs (well excluded the ones from the stems sometimes but not because of this i think).
then i saw a mastering tutorial where someone set it to -0.1 to have headroom, in my old IKM Limiter it was the OUTPUT CEILING which i set to -0.1 and i think this is the same in Fabfilter-L.

how far would you go? to have a SAFE export? is -0.1 enough or better go to -0.3? or even lower?

here i made 2 examples of -0.1 and -1. i see the waveforms have more headroom, i think -1 TP is not needed.

1st pic


2nd pic


Both Waveforms 1st is -0.1 TP and below is -1 TP


thx!

[neverbeeninariot]

If inter-sample peaks are a concern then set it to -1.0 and forget about it. Exporting to a .wav file, it will be at exactly -1.0 on playback, but when you convert to some lossy format, it will change e.g. peaks can hit -0.2 to -0.3 after conversion to MP3.

If you set your initial .wav export to -0.1, you will (very likely) get overs after a lossy conversion.

Whether you can hear them or not is another matter : )

[Caine123]

thx a lot! sorry for stupidly asking, so you mean to be sure to stay safe with trashing on conversion etc. i should use -1 TP dB?

[neverbeeninariot]

No problem! And, yes that's what I mean : )

[Jac459]

Not an expert at all but always read that -1 is the advised value, one of the reason being the one mentioned here.

[chk071]

If inter-sample peaks are a concern then set it to -1.0 and forget about it. Exporting to a .wav file, it will be at exactly -1.0 on playback, but when you convert to some lossy format, it will change e.g. peaks can hit -0.2 to -0.3 after conversion to MP3.

I think I remember having read that you should keep it at about -3 dB for that reason.

[neverbeeninariot]

If inter-sample peaks are a concern then set it to -1.0 and forget about it. Exporting to a .wav file, it will be at exactly -1.0 on playback, but when you convert to some lossy format, it will change e.g. peaks can hit -0.2 to -0.3 after conversion to MP3.

I think I remember having read that you should keep it at about -3 dB for that reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brXOrmgPCfE

Watch from 6m 17s for the meat, or from 4m in if you want the potatoes too.

Both part 1 and part 2 are excellent.

[chk071]

Thanks.

[Jac459]

Watch from 6m 17s for the meat, or from 4m in if you want the potatoes too.

Both part 1 and part 2 are excellent.

Dan Worrall is just the best...

[Caine123]

oh WOW! guys you helped me tremendously! im making a list for myself and post it later, also the video is just awesome, i seen the videos of fabfilter once, guess i need to rewatch all .
and yes im no fan with loudness wars and overcompressed waveforms.... i think it also depends on the genre, well normally not maybe cause overcompressed is overcompressed.