That's what I saidEchoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:35 pmOnly true for developers who already had a license. New devs can't sell VST2's.
New devs are limited to VST3 & Clap (no need to mention other formats
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Spire Synthesizer
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- KVRian
- 1362 posts since 17 Jul, 2007 from Riversland Valhalla
New devs are limited to VST3 & Clap (no need to mention other formats
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- KVRAF
- 2840 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
Spire with CLAP format (and features) would be awesome.
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- KVRAF
- 2237 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
It would be a shame if all devs went to CLAP and some poor soul with a valid VST2 license left a free wrapper laying around on the internet...Echoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:35 pmOnly true for developers who already had a license. New devs can't sell VST2's.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better? 
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- KVRAF
- 13217 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica
Indeed.
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- KVRAF
- 5054 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
Spire should aSpire to CLAP!
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- KVRAF
- 35434 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
They should really implement MIDI learn and Aftertouch in the VST3 as soon as possible. It surprises me that they even released it without that.
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- GRRRRRRR!
- 15955 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
Why? What a waste of precious development time.
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- KVRAF
- 2237 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
Simple conversions can be done in less than a day. They could have it done within a week...liquidsound wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:53 amPerhaps, but I'm not the one that's going to do it
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better?
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- Banned
- 178 posts since 31 May, 2023
Good Lord, what has the world come to? I'm actually agreeing with BONES.
I guess I missed the memo. Despite the benefits listed below from the u-he site, CLAP is still another plugin standard for developers to support. And as much as I am a huge fan of u-he (the company, its products, and its inimitable founder Urs,) u-he (and certainly not Bitwig) don''t have the industry clout to pull this off, IMO.
Developed with modern CPUs in mind, CLAP takes multi-thread management to a new level, with a clear and efficient allocation of roles between plug-in and host. Specifically, CLAP allows collaborative multicore support between plug-in and host through a so-called "thread-pool", also allowing hosts to manage CPU-threading for plug-ins that provide their own multicore support. Preliminary tests show significant performance gains compared with current solutions.
This all sounds great. Except there was a near revolt among developers and musicians alike when Apple decided to develop their own Audio Unit plugin standard for Logic. And this was Apple with all its money and muscle and now owning one of the most popular DAWs of all time.
Similarly, I can't see Steinberg ever supporting CLAP. They are all about VST3 these days and have even dropped support for VST2 plugins in versions of Cubase Pro 12.
Finally, Avid is not about to abandon their AAX plugin standard now that they seem to have finally settled on something they will actually support long term (unlike their earlier RTAS and other plugin "standards").
Who does this leave, Bitwig, Ableton, FL Studio, and maybe Presonus? That's not enough companies to impose another plugin standard on developers and users.
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- KVRAF
- 35434 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I really hope this thread stays on topic, and doesn't vanish into the CLAP discussion void again.
If you want a CLAP version, bug the developers with it. There's contact info on their site. This is a discussion about Spire, not about CLAP.
You know, stuff like that always reminds me of the Windows forums I frequent. There's the small group of Linux users which miss no opportunity to propagate Linux as well, and, everytime I take a look at the market share, I see 1 to 2% on home computers. Fine if you want to use it, but, understand that it's not that big of a priority. And, that it's super annoying to have to find through pages of discussion by a few vocal individuals, when you want to find info about the synth, not general discussions about a plugin format.
If you want a CLAP version, bug the developers with it. There's contact info on their site. This is a discussion about Spire, not about CLAP.
You know, stuff like that always reminds me of the Windows forums I frequent. There's the small group of Linux users which miss no opportunity to propagate Linux as well, and, everytime I take a look at the market share, I see 1 to 2% on home computers. Fine if you want to use it, but, understand that it's not that big of a priority. And, that it's super annoying to have to find through pages of discussion by a few vocal individuals, when you want to find info about the synth, not general discussions about a plugin format.
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- KVRian
- 961 posts since 18 Jul, 2021
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- addled muppet weed
- 105853 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRAF
- 5054 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
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