⚠ ⚠ Reason 12.6 - No perpetual offline-licence mode anymore! ⚠ ⚠
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- KVRAF
- 4274 posts since 8 Mar, 2005
So I can authorize one license of reason in multiple computers as long as it's done once per year? That's a win-win for me.
- KVRAF
- 2706 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
Yes, you definitely are.
You are comparing the risk of reason studios knowing once a year that you are connected with the risk of having a computer off the grid, unprotected.
What happen if you need a patch?
What happen if suddenly you have a bug?
Reconnecting a computer after 9 months is an actual risk, you can have virus and all. Basically you will he a sitting duck with a computer not patched for so long.
Plus you will plug USB devices and drive to it. USB drive is one of the favorite way to infect computers.
As a DAW, you never plug a drive to do backups? You just burn a cd for backup? That's non-sense....
Of course, you can still chose to do it if your computer is only serving as a one purpose instrument...
You considere it as a synth and call it a day. If it fails you buy another one...
But doing that for a DAW is just senseless.
If some studios do it, they are clearly unprofessional.
- KVRAF
- 2706 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
Yes absolutely.keyman_sam wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:49 am So I can authorize one license of reason in multiple computers as long as it's done once per year? That's a win-win for me.
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- KVRAF
- 11088 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
Once a year is absolutely fine, you need to be online to download/update Reason, this is no big deal at all.
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- KVRAF
- 2706 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
I agree. They want a proof of your licence. My point is that it will only be an issue for you if you plan not to update for more than one year . Meaning you chose not to update.LaLivre wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:12 am
No, it is not because they want Reason to get updated, they want a proof of your licence.
And yes, this is a classical first world problem, human and property rights are very important in the "first world", it is always good to discuss those kind of fundamental rights
And I hate to break it to you but there is NO concept of property rights for software.
It is only an authorisation to use under many conditions (like you can't resell for example, without particular conditions as I guess you know).
Here this is an extract of the IP contract of 'Cockos Reaper". I chose this one because they are supposed to be the "good guys", open source friendly and all.
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Except as expressly permitted herein or by applicable law, Licensee shall not, and shall not permit any distributor or other person to, re-configure, modify, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, or otherwise determine or attempt to determine source code from the Product or to create any derivative works based upon the Products.
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Proprietary Rights. Title to and ownership of all copies of the Products, including all copyrights thereto, whether in machine-readable or printed form, and including without limitation derivative works, compilations, or collective works thereof and all related technical know-how and all rights therein are and shall remain the exclusive property of Cockos or its suppliers
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If you buy a synth, it is yours. You can open it, modify it as you want sell it as you want...
I suggest you stop using software....
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 44 posts since 28 Apr, 2022
There is still no convincing reason for me to check my licence once a year for the ability using a software I bought.
Studio one does it? No
Cubase does it? No
Ableton does it? No
Neaper? No
Logic? i do not know, I guess: No.
This stuff they do is just arbitrary restriction of user rights to me.
Studio one does it? No
Cubase does it? No
Ableton does it? No
Neaper? No
Logic? i do not know, I guess: No.
This stuff they do is just arbitrary restriction of user rights to me.
- KVRAF
- 2706 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
That's your right to think like that .LaLivre wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:45 am There is still no convincing reason for me to check my licence once a year for the ability using a software I bought.
Studio one does it? No
Cubase does it? No
Ableton does it? No
Neaper? No
Logic? i do not know, I guess: No.
This stuff they do is just arbitrary restriction of user rights to me.
- KVRAF
- 2206 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
Off the grid is protected.
Download it on another computer and donkey it over via sneaker net. Many music software companies still offer offline registration for this very reason.What happen if you need a patch?
What happen if suddenly you have a bug?
You've been a Windows user far too long... Your OS shouldn't be vulnerable just sitting on a network.Reconnecting a computer after 9 months is an actual risk, you can have virus and all. Basically you will he a sitting duck with a computer not patched for so long.
You've been a Windows user far too long... Where are you getting your USB drives/sticks from?!?Plus you will plug USB devices and drive to it. USB drive is one of the favorite way to infect computers.
You've been a Windows user far too long... And what's wrong with DVD/CD backups?As a DAW, you never plug a drive to do backups? You just burn a cd for backup? That's non-sense....
I'm sure many professional studios would disagree.But doing that for a DAW is just senseless.
If some studios do it, they are clearly unprofessional.
Modern software isn't a service or a product anymore, it is spyware. E.g. my parents just bought on if those automatic Roomba-type sweepers. The iPad software to run it insisted it needed Location Services be turned on for it to operate. I'll let you ponder that one awhile.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better?
- KVRAF
- 2706 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
Well, of course not. A software that is working one day can stop working another day (for many many possible reasons, but the most common a resource leak, like a data structure slowly increasing, sometimes for years until it fails). That's why banks are paying millions and millions of dollars in maintenance, in order to have a rapid intervention in case there is a bug in a payment system, or a database or whatever. Because they don't accept any downtime... If you are a professional company with big duties, you can't rely on luck for a software to work. You necessarily have a warranty. You may not know but the market of company "insuring" open source products is in multi-billions dollars industry. For a single user it is not needed. For a company it is...
Have you heard about the year 2000 bug, the 2001 GPS bug ? They are famous example but this happens always (meaning every year). If you are a serious company, you don't accept that.
So basically your genius idea is to download the software (and potentially the malware) from an immune computer. Copy it on the usb drive (which is the first thing the virus goes to). And then put it in your unprotected computer ? That's very smart...Download it on another computer and donkey it over via sneaker net. Many music software companies still offer offline registration for this very reason.
Well, you clearly have no clue of what you are talking about... I suggest you google "Zero-day exploit", "macOS", "2023". If you're lazy, a Zero-day exploit is when a weakness in a system is so big that you have to "run for your life and fix it immediately". MacOS has it regularly too... And they have a very good team to fix it very quickly (if you are connected on internet of course).You've been a Windows user far too long... Your OS shouldn't be vulnerable just sitting on a network.
Just to be very clear as you seems to have no clue in security matters.
Why it is important to fix it immediately and not wait 3 months "anyway you are off-the-grid so protected"?
It is because during these 3 months, a ton of stupid hackers will use the newly documented exploit to create a ton of virus. So if you connect 3 months later into the internet, even during the time you update your machine, you can be infected. If you do it the day of the exploit discovery... No big deal, very often, Microsoft and Apple are faster to correct than the "average hackers" to create and broadcast the virus.
Well this point is so stupid, I fail to find arguments...You've been a Windows user far too long... Where are you getting your USB drives/sticks from?!?
Only the fact that it is impractical and slow (nothing wrong from security standpoint).You've been a Windows user far too long... And what's wrong with DVD/CD backups?
I am sure too, thanks to companies like them and people like you the business of malware is floorishing. Again, type "malware" "statistics" "fbi" in google and document yourself... It will maybe save you some tears in the future....I'm sure many professional studios would disagree.
Sorry man, I am not interested in your life and your parents stories.Modern software isn't a service or a product anymore, it is spyware. E.g. my parents just bought on if those automatic Roomba-type sweepers. The iPad software to run it insisted it needed Location Services be turned on for it to operate. I'll let you ponder that one awhile.
I just suggest you to use common sense to assess your security risks. I am not asking you to distribute all your personal data everywhere... Just compare connecting once a year to a company you have already registered your data versus taking a major security risk with your computer...
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- KVRAF
- 5004 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
If I’m not mistaken, even if they do not require a once a year activation, how in hell you buy anything from them which will require the “authorizer”, no longer the dongle from 12.6 on, and that “software” it’s not movable to a usb drive?
You better stay below version 12.6 and even then, I’m not sure you can activate a RE just with the dongle. I’ve never tried that from another computer without Reason/Authorizer on it…..
If that’s the case, your case is over because you never did what you are claiming they are restricting you from… Forced Connection regardless of “principles”.
You are pissed. Take a brake from music until you find a good “reason” to go with the flow.
You better stay below version 12.6 and even then, I’m not sure you can activate a RE just with the dongle. I’ve never tried that from another computer without Reason/Authorizer on it…..
If that’s the case, your case is over because you never did what you are claiming they are restricting you from… Forced Connection regardless of “principles”.
You are pissed. Take a brake from music until you find a good “reason” to go with the flow.
MuLab-Reaper of course
- KVRAF
- 2706 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
What is true is that if you unplug the computer and put it in a drawer. You won't have any security issue AND you won't give your data to these bastards. F... you Reason !liquidsound wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:21 pm If I’m not mistaken, even if they do not require a once a year activation, how in hell you buy anything from them which will require the “authorizer”, no longer the dongle from 12.6 on, and that “software” it’s not movable to a usb drive?
You better stay below version 12.6 and even then, I’m not sure you can activate a RE just with the dongle. I’ve never tried that from another computer without Reason/Authorizer on it…..
If that’s the case, your case is over because you never did what you are claiming they are restricting you from… Forced Connection regardless of “principles”.
You are pissed. Take a brake from music until you find a good “reason” to go with the flow.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 44 posts since 28 Apr, 2022
Beside all arguments and all philosophy, they made a long (Man, it's really 20 years nearly) loyal Reason user jump the ship with this move. So, good luck with this strange new system, it feels like I lost a long, but sometimes really tragical love.
No more sequencer moaning, no more workflow frustration, no more thoughts if the company will get another owner or subsription only, no more new devices, no more unclear announcements and never again any of my money to the newest release of the good old Reason.
My customer times are over.
No more sequencer moaning, no more workflow frustration, no more thoughts if the company will get another owner or subsription only, no more new devices, no more unclear announcements and never again any of my money to the newest release of the good old Reason.
My customer times are over.
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- KVRAF
- 2706 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
I just pity the next DAW company you will go to lol...LaLivre wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:35 pm Beside all arguments and all philosophy, they made a long (Man, it's really 20 years nearly) loyal Reason user jump the ship with this move. So, I wish them good luck with their new system, it feels like I lost a long, but sometimes really tragical love.
No more sequencer moaning, no more workflow frustration, no more thoughts if the company will get another owner, no more new devices and never again my money to the newest release of good old Reason.
My customer time is over.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 44 posts since 28 Apr, 2022
... if they introduce a similar licence model after some years, yes ....then you are right.Jac459 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:39 pmI just pity the next DAW company you will go to lol...LaLivre wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:35 pm Beside all arguments and all philosophy, they made a long (Man, it's really 20 years nearly) loyal Reason user jump the ship with this move. So, I wish them good luck with their new system, it feels like I lost a long, but sometimes really tragical love.
No more sequencer moaning, no more workflow frustration, no more thoughts if the company will get another owner, no more new devices and never again my money to the newest release of good old Reason.
My customer time is over.
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- KVRAF
- 5004 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
Have you asked yourself what’s there to loose if you keep going? If it’s only in your head then you will carry your head for the rest of your life. That’s not Reason Studios then.LaLivre wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:35 pm Beside all arguments and all philosophy, they made a long (Man, it's really 20 years nearly) loyal Reason user jump the ship with this move. So, good luck with this strange new system, it feels like I lost a long, but sometimes really tragical love.
No more sequencer moaning, no more workflow frustration, no more thoughts if the company will get another owner or subsription only, no more new devices, no more unclear announcements and never again any of my money to the newest release of the good old Reason.
My customer times are over.
You will not live forever. Enjoy this short journey. Relax and make good music. Who knows how many of us will not be here before the next activation… enjoy your toys.
MuLab-Reaper of course