Cakewalk free version being phased out

[chk071]

Keep your fingers crossed then so Steinberg never put a full stop to vst3.

What exactly do you mean by "full stop"?

[lfm]

Keep your fingers crossed then so Steinberg never put a full stop to vst3. They own it and only lend it for others to use.

...or the other way, how long does volontary work of devs last until they stop what they are doing.

Then talking about CLAP format, open source stuff and volontary work.

I have a couple of examples
- Bazar source code manager stopped being maintained after a few years after I adopted it. Now 10 years ago. Luckily worked still for my purposes, not using the remote ftp stuff.
- youtube-dl.exe a downloader for youtube, rumble and more, same thing. Stopped being maintained over a year ago.

Downloader I use now yt-dlp.exe, no clue when that will stop working. Two months now since last update, maybe all is good and no bugs, or more rightfully that Google did not change in protocols too much so it still works. But incredible work of devs on that one, works for many formats even som dash ones.

Volontary work can also mean it divides into several other dialects since no overall interest for it to succeed.

[lfm]

No, not wrong, most of the world doesn't care. I wasn't aware multi-out plugins was an issue in VST3. If that's true, again not sure how many users would be bothered. It's so easy to load another instance of a plugin inside a DAW on its own dedicated channel with its own Eq, effects & inserts...not sure what the benefit of multi-out plugins would be? No deal-breaker to me for any plugin. But I use Cubase...Groove Agent has multi-outs (that I don't use). If I want more drums doing something different, I load another GA on another channel. GA obvs works under VST3 with multi outs though...4 stereo outs IIRC? Why can't other developers make multi-outs work when Steinberg can?

Another non-issue to most users.

I had issues with Bluecat Patchwork in StudioOne. It loaded plugin, but you could not activate more outs. They just ignored it 2017 making excuses how bad VST3 was. Also tried making Presonus talk to Bluecat but nothing happended before I dropped StudioOne for other reasons. Patchwork VST2 worked just fine.

And it was not until v2.46 it worked in Cubase either.

In Sonar I also get VST3 version issue in that Patchwork identifies as having one stereo out, not 16 as VST2 version.

But also has Spitfire Whitacre Choir, VST3 that works just fine with multiout in Sonar. So they chose another way to do it, within VST3 specs.

If to make plugins for surround it's an obstacle if not multi out work. Sonar by Bandlab does not support those surround plugins anyway last time I checked, just surround busses and stuff so you can mix in surround. My older cutdown Sonar Artist does not support surround busses though.

So look forward to new Sonar paid release which I will go for.

Seems that VST3 specs has many ways to do the same thing. Talking to Bluecat support something about subbusses or similar and how they choose to do it.

So seems very open specs for VST3.

[Saffran]

Yea, i overdid it a little bit.
Those that got a license for vst2 can use it for ever. There's no end date to the license if i understand what i've read about it. Vst3 probably is the same.
The problem is when a new developer requests a license, vst2 license is not granted anymore.
What if Steinberg decides to charge money for a license? There would, down the line, be fewer new plugins and they would cost more.
I think it's a bit of hypocrisy when i read many posts about how you can't trust Cakewalk because it's free. Steinberg vst licenses is free but very few write about the danger of having them free?

[chk071]

What if Steinberg decides to charge money for a license?

Companies would have to decide whether or not it is still profitable to develop plugins.

I think what you neglect is that Steinberg benefits from developers developing plugins. And, that surely won't stop tomorrow. There's really no reason for your fears.

[Saffran]

...and everyone will be twice as safe with a third option as Clap format.

[chk071]

You sound like a commercial.

[cryophonik]

Pity that only Next is available on Mac. I was a Sonar user for nearly 20 years until Gibson dropped them, at which point I went fully Mac for music/photography/video. If the new Sonar becomes Mac-compatible at some point, I'll definitely buy back in.

[noiseboyuk]

No, not wrong, most of the world doesn't care. I wasn't aware multi-out plugins was an issue in VST3. If that's true, again not sure how many users would be bothered. It's so easy to load another instance of a plugin inside a DAW on its own dedicated channel with its own Eq, effects & inserts...not sure what the benefit of multi-out plugins would be? No deal-breaker to me for any plugin. But I use Cubase...Groove Agent has multi-outs (that I don't use). If I want more drums doing something different, I load another GA on another channel. GA obvs works under VST3 with multi outs though...4 stereo outs IIRC? Why can't other developers make multi-outs work when Steinberg can?

Another non-issue to most users.

Gee, definitely an issue for me. I have a ton of plugins that use multi-outs - any rhythm plugin I always want the kick out separately for processing, side-chaining etc. Then there's VE Pro - to use that efficiently you definitely want multi-outs.

That said, I have zero issue with VST3 multi-outs in Cubase.

[BBFG#]

With this announcement and The Harrison Mixbus sale to Softtube, I've downloaded Waveform Free for a second look...
Version 12 feels better than the last trial run of V10 I did awhile back.

[chk071]

If the new Sonar becomes Mac-compatible at some point, I'll definitely buy back in.

Would be interesting if they planned something in that regard. To be competitive, especially in terms of pricing, they just have to support Mac OS at some point.

I'm sure it'd also be good for the Bandlab platform.

[lfm]

If the new Sonar becomes Mac-compatible at some point, I'll definitely buy back in.

Would be interesting if they planned something in that regard. To be competitive, especially in terms of pricing, they just have to support Mac OS at some point.

I'm sure it'd also be good for the Bandlab platform.

At Gibson era they did an announcement they were going Mac too.
- big announcement 6 months in advance
- if this was as Platinum were lifetime free updates

But it turned out not to be true native Mac, but some emulation platform or whatever it was.

And they gave this away to everybody that wanted it, it was almost ready as I recall when Gibson ditched them.

Maybe they learned enough now doing Cakewalk Next to go Sonar too.

[jinotsuh]

Sonar will not be ported to Mac. Cakewalk's Mac solution going forward will be Next.

https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php? ... ent=442709

[cryophonik]

Well, that’s unfortunate. But, fortunately for me, I’m plenty happy with Logic. Still looking forward to seeing what Next has to offer. Saw this in that same thread:

As someone who worked very closely on Project 5... I can say that much of the philosophy that went into the design of Project 5 has guided the development of Next.