Plugin Alliance is joining Native Instruments

[chk071]

I actually think the new logo and font for Ni looks cheap, they are losing their brand identity.

Totally. I'm not really an aesthete in that regard, but, that looks like some 5 minute freshman student's work. I already noticed that with Waldorf's new logo and lettering. I don't know, seems to be the current trend. Looks like something even I could do.

Well, it's not very important for me. The quality of the software counts. But, if I would have had to decide about those logos, I most probably would have put them in the wastebin. Both NI and Waldorf had really nice logos.

[SHall1000]

I was in a dilemma as to whether to upgrade to Komplete 14 standard (mainly to keep Kontakt up to date and get Ozone) or ditch NI completely based on their slow updates and lack of innovation. Now I am even more confused which way to go.
I have some PA stuff I use but as a hobbyist I could live without them as I have alternatives. I only use Neutron from iZotope these days. The music software world is very fluid at the moment.
Think I might uninstall everything except Ableton Live and all the Arturia stuff. Would keep life that little bit more simple.

[chk071]

There is a lot of stuff in Komplete which I don't use. But, there's also some of my absolute favorites in there (Massive X, Reaktor, Monark, Replika XT, Dirt, Komplete Kontrol, Raum etc.).

If that helps.

Especially can't praise Dirt enough. It's the first in the box distortion whose sound really convinced me.

[0degree]

So now everything is assimilated under one entity it's time to switch to subscription

[SHall1000]

So now everything is assimilated under one entity it's time to switch to subscription

Interesting thought. The portfolio is certainly huge and varied. Might be the first subscription to offer actual value. Depending on the price of course.

[kylie]

Yup. NA2 obviously wont run on Win7, but when I put it on my Win10 system, which had been running the original NA just fine, it wont actually do any installs or updates. Nothing NI support have asked me to try has made a difference.

Thanks to your post I just realized that I had an older NA v1.x that seemed to be working not that long ago, but when I read here on KVR there was an update to reaktor 6 recently it did not show up, and a lot of stuff I should have been able to install (like Kontakt) was just not in my library.

So minutes ago I installed the current NA2 release 3.4.0 and now I can see a few updates (that installed fine) as well as the missing part of my library, even the recently released free Irish Harp. Definitely an upgrade for me !

[Hewitt Huntwork]

I upgraded to K14 Standard and NI's plugin manager failed to load the Ozone 10 that comes with it. I hope they get on top of little issues like this.

[MrJubbly]

From the perspective of customers of products from these (or other) brands, I don't see much net positives coming our way from all these recent mergers and acquisitions of the big companies into one overarching conglomerate.

I suspect many existing products are likely to be deemed as superfluous to requirements by the almighty "Umberella" corporation and summarily discontinued, as part of some future book-keeping cost-cutting exercise.

I also don't like what the formation of such monolithic entities like this could mean for smaller independent developers going forwards, trying to compete with and survive against such dominant monopolistic beasts like this new "Native Instruments" behemoth.

Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” “My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.” ... "Resistance is futile!"

[commerce]

Yes, I know, I got it 25 minutes ago

Hmmm... did they send some new ones? I meant that they sent out emails about the fusion back when that Soundwide thing was current. More than a year ago.

https://blog.native-instruments.com/soundwide/

This email is NOT about the fusion of the companies.
It is about the fusion of the installers.
iZotope products will be in Native Access.
This is new.
(Only Ozone 10 was there until now.)

I upgraded to K14 Standard and NI's plugin manager failed to load the Ozone 10 that comes with it. I hope they get on top of little issues like this.

Do you use Native Access 1 or 2?
I use NA 1 and have the same problem.

[Korey Creative]

Utilize Native Access as the preferred destination for installing and authenticating a broader range of products, reducing the need for multiple product installation tools

I don't like the idea of PA plugins needing to be authorised through Native Access. The way PA handle it right now is perfectly fine. It seems like every time authorisation is changed to make things "easier" the first thing that goes is the ability to activate offline.

​I couldn't agree any more. I choose Plugin Alliance for its simplicity of installations and performance.

If Native Instruments forces the use of Native Access for Plugin Alliance plugins like they stated they're currently working on, I'll sell / transfer them that same day.

[GaryG]

If Native Instruments forces the use of Native Access for Plugin Alliance plugins like they stated they're currently working on, I'll sell / transfer them that same day.

that raises an interesting point; wonder if they'll align transfer policies? Would be strange if they all used the same manager but some plugs were $20 to transfer, some not, can't see that happening.

[Korey Creative]

I also don't like what the formation of such monolithic entities like this could mean for smaller independent developers going forwards, trying to compete with and survive against such dominant monopolistic beasts like this new "Native Instruments" behemoth.

​I think the opposite way, if I understand you correctly.

Conglomerates might have quantity, but not quality. This move by Native Instruments to tie everything together is their own downfall. I won't say big companies can't innovate as Apple seems to be okay in that regard, but a lot of companies can't. Native Instruments is basically creating the opportunity for someone else to innovate.

I personally think Native Instruments is overrated. All they have is a sampler (my opinion), to which most are ditching nowadays to create their own to save licensing fees.​

[Korey Creative]

If Native Instruments forces the use of Native Access for Plugin Alliance plugins like they stated they're currently working on, I'll sell / transfer them that same day.

that raises an interesting point; wonder if they'll align transfer policies? Would be strange if they all used the same manager but some plugs were $20 to transfer, some not, can't see that happening.

​You know that does bring up an interesting question. That is a real head scratcher. If there wasn't a fee, then all PA plugins would skyrocket on the secondhand market. But if they stayed the same, Native Instrument plugins would get more attention, or not just guessing.

I do hope they allow users to just use the old installer if they want it. That would keep things simple, like music production should be.​

[Harry_HH]

At least one, very practical downside in the fusion, in the short term, anayway:

As a buyer of the Komplete Ultimate (in some years + the collector's edition) since 2017, I do not greet with joy the fusion of the NI and PA (and iZotope and Brainworks. The newest Komplete 14 ultimate overlaps several PA/iZotope products which I already own. And there are less great new plugins by the NI in the latest Komplete.

In the other words: contrary the NI and PA claims, 1+1 here is less than 2 for the users.

Maybe we'll get some advanges of the fusion, in the long run - let's see.

[Harry_HH]

This is fairly old news, eh? Komplete 14 already got a bunch of Plugin-Alliance stuff.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... additions/

I’ve got the Komplete Ultimate 14.
But this didn’t tell about the company fusion, yet, for me anyway.
But maybe you are a psychic.

NI sent out emails to all their customers.

Damn. I thought I was psychic.

Read the previous posts in the thread before you send your's, ok?

chk071 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:09 pm
Harry_HH wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:07 pm
zerocrossing wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:04 pm
This is fairly old news, eh? Komplete 14 already got a bunch of Plugin-Alliance stuff.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... additions/
I’ve got the Komplete Ultimate 14.
But this didn’t tell about the company fusion, yet, for me anyway.
But maybe you are a psychic.
NI sent out emails to all their customers.
Yes, I know, I got it 25 minutes ago - that’s why I put it here, for those who aren’t in the NI mailing list