Who will put out the first AI assisted DAW?

[osiris]

Have been mulling this awhile. What I'm also noticing is you have to pay quite a few sites to access their AI. So lets say this is a new cash cow add on for some DAW. It would be great for a DAW to be able to help. FL offline download Help seems so 1995, but not all of us are hooked up to the web all the time. There's also the pitfall of having to have your mic on for the AI to get instructions. So, existing company or new startup? Anyway i want to hear thoughts on this.

[rod_zero]

The only company in the industry with the capital to do it is Apple, not sure they want to do it.

Maybe the company making band lab ports to desktop application.

[musicproducerdee]

Have been mulling this awhile. What I'm also noticing is you have to pay quite a few sites to access their AI. So lets say this is a new cash cow add on for some DAW. It would be great for a DAW to be able to help. FL offline download Help seems so 1995, but not all of us are hooked up to the web all the time. There's also the pitfall of having to have your mic on for the AI to get instructions. So, existing company or new startup? Anyway i want to hear thoughts on this.

A.I can do a lot, so in what context do you refer to it being added to the DAW? We have a lot of plugins already, that claim to be using A.I. to process audio. Sonible being one example, and they're pretty good too.

I've also seen online A.I tools that separate vocals/instruments from full songs, so it's like having stems. That would be a pretty neat addition to any DAW. Steinberg Spectralayers kinda already does that inside Cubase (and standalone).

A.I tools that make life easier or provide quality of life improvements, I'd pretty much welcome in any DAW. Although, what I wouldn't like is, the DAW doing the work for me, like creating the actual music. That's not why I became a musician. The music needs to come from within the artist, life experiences, moods, feelings and all that. That's what makes it so good, relatable and personal.

The only company in the industry with the capital to do it is Apple, not sure they want to do it.

Maybe the company making band lab ports to desktop application.

Why do you say that?

Ableton is a massive player.

Steinberg (owned by Yamaha, who are huge as well), already has a lot of features, that no other DAW has out of the box. I'd argue that it is the most feature rich DAW out there (out of the box).

Image-Line are also huge. FL Studio is big in the hip/hop, R&B community. This genre is on top of the game at the moment. And A.I would even make sense here, as there are a lot of independent artists here, who could make use of A.I tools for sampling etc, as this is one of the most sampled genres.

Of course, Apple is a on another level, but the other are well capable of making it happen as well. I don't think it'll be long before Google jumps in into A.I tools for audio.

[rod_zero]

Money for hiring a team of the most on demand field at the moment couldn't be justified for a DAW given the return on investment.

[i need Help]

The first AI DAW has been out for a short while already.



It’s not exactly as you described with voice prompts, and when mentioned on another thread some pointed out it’s “just” audio stems.

But the fact remains you click a button and it spits out a complete DAW project for you.

[pdxindy]

The only company in the industry with the capital to do it is Apple, not sure they want to do it.

Logic already has a kind of AI with Drummer

[vurt]

The only company in the industry with the capital to do it is Apple, not sure they want to do it.

Logic already has a kind of AI with Drummer

can you call it artificial "intelligence" if it's mimicking a drummer?

[pdxindy]

The only company in the industry with the capital to do it is Apple, not sure they want to do it.

Logic already has a kind of AI with Drummer

can you call it artificial "intelligence" if it's mimicking a drummer?

didn't you notice the term 'artificial'?

[vurt]

[lfm]

I think it was Roland Jupiter X that had some AI regarding adapting tempo or arrangement to how you play, or similar.

Or if it was some arranger keyboard.

But buzzword of the day would be AI, and anything is called that it seems.

Is Garage Band suggesting an arrangement to a chord progression you made?
- not strictly I believe if to actually learn anything it did not register before
- but they could maybe get away with it

Seems all chess computer engines they throw AI in there too.
Soon it will be thinned out to be pressing a synth key and get a sound would be AI.

It's not hip to be HI, human intelligence anymore.

Can't I get some chip installed....

[osiris]

I thought about Apple. It's kind of strange that with everyone making big AI announcements, they're mum on this. When I say AI, I don't mean something like the Amped thing, I mean an actual assistant. To do little mindless crap that you do in a DAW. Like trying to find the right kick or the right sound. You could tell it I want a rubbery, deep bass sound and it would find a couple of those sounds for you to audition. Delete that. Move the pitch of those notes to G# Major. It would be great for mastering. For some strange reason I think the new conglom formerly known as Native Instruments will try this. But they will add too many useless bells and whistles and it will end up like Kore. This is just a weird personal premonition. But, hey, Logic, AI, makes sense.

[BBFG#]

The real question is which AI will write its own advanced AI regardless of the company that thought it owned it.

[BertKoor]

Good question, BBFG#, but that won't happen soon. We call it Generative AI now, but it still requires prompts.

It's not really creative. It doesn't reason: ah, this is a problem and I have ideas how to solve it.

[CinningBao]

The first AI DAW has been out for a short while already.



It’s not exactly as you described with voice prompts, and when mentioned on another thread some pointed out it’s “just” audio stems.

But the fact remains you click a button and it spits out a complete DAW project for you.

I wouldn't quite call that a complete project - it's a set of audio files stretched and pitched around (using meta tags to determine the direction of stretch or pitch change) selected by the genre choice.
And to be honest, the amount of pitching and stretching done on those audio files makes everything sound like an 128kbps mp3 from 2003.

This might be of use to people hoping to learn arrangement and structure from the AI construction but this is nowhere near an end product. THERE ARE NO TRANSIENTS, everything is just 'fluff fluff flish flam' - can people not hear this?

Whatever neural networks or machine learning systems the major DAW players have got training right now, I can't imagine it will be long before, say, Ableton has an 'auto-arrangement' or some crap like that. Maybe even an "AI generated production choices for Kicks/Snares/Claps/Hats/Bass Guitar/Bass synth/guitar chords/guitar plucks/guitar melody/synth pad/synth plucks/synth stabs/vocal leads/vocal backing/vocal fx/.." won't take that long to have as an option, it's just the flicking through the options (as the DAW builds and deletes the effect chains and send tracks and automation lanes cleanly) which could be a problem.

Anyway, I just wish folks would go and play a real drum kit, or try to work out how to sing and play guitar at the same time, or just join a choir - I don't think sitting in front of a computer selecting from AI constructions is quite what the future of humanity should have in its back pocket. But here we are all thinking it's the next best thing..

[BBFG#]

Good question, BBFG#, but that won't happen soon. We call it Generative AI now, but it still requires prompts.

It's not really creative. It doesn't reason: ah, this is a problem and I have ideas how to solve it.

AI will be the performative term that the SI (Synthetic Intelligents) will call humans...

Remember it generatively gains exponential speed...

But seriously, it would have to have multiple conflicting and competing algorithms to even partially realize the paradoxical nature of human chaos.

AI now is just an extension of its coder teams confirmation bias.

I kind of feel the first company doing this is the one with an underlying suicidal drive.