Looking for a secondary DAW (for mixing/mastering) which will eventually become my primary DAW (for all things)

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I'd use your current host/daw . Bitwig or Live ? Maybe take advantage and get NI Komplete it's on sale til July ? I think it has Ozone and a bunch of mastering stuff now I believe ? Harrison mixbuss (Ardour) would be a good option to. Reaper ( I know you said NO ) StudioOne maybe get a used copy version 4 or 5 , version 6 is nothing special at the moment thanks Fender or Gibson or Ibanez can't remember who bought Presonus ...lol

Is there a most useless post honoree section in KVR?

[fedexnman]

Thanks do I get pie with that ?

[ghettosynth]

Thanks do I get pie with that ?

I like pie.

[Shabdahbriah]

Thanks do I get pie with that ?

I like pie.

+1 for pie!

[musicproducerdee]

I'd use your current host/daw . Bitwig or Live ? Maybe take advantage and get NI Komplete it's on sale til July ? I think it has Ozone and a bunch of mastering stuff now I believe ? Harrison mixbuss (Ardour) would be a good option to. Reaper ( I know you said NO ) StudioOne maybe get a used copy version 4 or 5 , version 6 is nothing special at the moment thanks Fender or Gibson or Ibanez can't remember who bought Presonus ...lol

I don't like the mixer in Bitwig Studio. Check out the mixers in Studio One & Cubase, and you'll see the difference. Also, Bitwig is lacking some midi functionality, that both Studio One & Cubase provide. No ARA in Bitwig either. Also, both Studio One and Cubase provide better/dedicated metering plugins. That's all I can think of at the moment, but I'm sure there's more. I love Bitwig for it's simplicity and modern workflow, but it's not there yet for me to completely move to it.

[fedexnman]

Sounds like you got it narrowed down to StudioOne or Cubase .

[musicproducerdee]

Sounds like you got it narrowed down to StudioOne or Cubase .

I picked Cubase. Already started a mix

[fedexnman]

Sounds like you got it narrowed down to StudioOne or Cubase .

I picked Cubase. Already started a mix

Man , that's great !

[ghettosynth]

Sounds like you got it narrowed down to StudioOne or Cubase .

I picked Cubase. Already started a mix

Man , that's great !

Let's celebrate a successful KVR discussion with....pie.

[? ? ?]

I picked Cubase. Already started a mix

Cubase is fine for writing but not for mixing and mastering. Have you considered Protools or Reaper?

[Trensharo]

I picked Cubase. Already started a mix

Cubase is fine for writing but not for mixing and mastering. Have you considered Protools or Reaper?

No one is going to take you seriously if you lead with a statement like that.

For Mixing and Mastering, I do think DAWs like Samplitude Pro X, Pyramix, Digital Performer and Audition become relevant - along with a couple of others that may not be as popular in the production space, which generally dominates these discussions.

Pro Tools is obviously a given, but the way it is [not quite] sold can be a problem especially if you're only using it as a Mixing/Mastering Platform and may not want to upgrade it year-over-year.

REAPER is fine, but if on Windows I think Samplitude delivers a better out of the box user experience and feature set. REAPER is usually cheaper, though (outside of some promotional periods), since you basically have to get Pro X Suite if you're getting it for Mastering.

WaveLab Pro is a viable option, since you can just bring the stems over and Master there. I think you can Mix in pretty much any DAW. I'm not quite sure buying a secondary DAW for mixing is all that optimal. Probably better to just choose a better "General Purpose DAW" that is stronger "all-around," instead.

[? ? ?]

I picked Cubase. Already started a mix

Cubase is fine for writing but not for mixing and mastering. Have you considered Protools or Reaper?

No one is going to take you seriously if you lead with a statement like that.

Have you considered Protools or Reaper? Cubase is fine for writing but not for mixing and mastering.

[Trensharo]

And... Off you go!

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All.joking aside, i agree Samplitude is fantastic for mixkng and mastering. Tried it years ago and loved it. I just decided on Live since it was too fun. That and wasn't sure if Magix would last in competing with the big boys.

[BONES]

Why do people keep lumping mixing and mastering together? They are two separate things that has nothing to do with one another, made by two completely different type of people! It's starting to get pretty fkn cringy.

Why do people keep trying to separate processes that are so deeply intertwined? Mixing with your mastering plugins already in your master channel gets you to where you want to go much faster.
Mastering is just that final coat of lacquer that ensures a perfect finish. If you do a good enough job with your mix, you probably shouldn't really need to master at all.

It might be common but it's wrong. Keep the two things separate ...

Why? Give us an explanation. Seriously, what difference does it make if you do your mastering from a pre-rendered mix or if you place your mastering chain into the Master channels of your mix so you can tweak from both directions?

The whole production process is a continuum, not a set of discrete steps. Doing your mastering as a separate process can reveal issues in your mix, which you then have to go back and fix, which is far less efficient than mixing with your mastering plugins active so that those problems don't arise.

Because some VST instruments give you the option to play them multitimbral, so why use several instances for something you can do in one instance?

Because it makes no real difference and it makes it easier to see what's going on when you open that project again in 6 months time. Also, it's easier than the way you are doing it, which is surely reason enough?

It's also a pretty common thing. Many Kontakt instruments are multitimbral. Studio One is the issue here, not multitimbral instruments.

It sounds to me like your pig-headedness is the issue. With any software, you need to adapt to your application, not expect the application to bend to your will. That's how they end up so bloated, trying to accommodate a hundred different ways of doing things.

I wonder if you can name these "hundreds of artists" who "made thousands of professional records" that way.

Don't put it back on him. You made a ridiculous statement with absolutely nothing to back it up. You owe him an explanation before he owes you one.

Already started a mix

Just out of interest, how does that work? Do you export a MIDI file from Bitwig and start over again in Cubarse, reloading all your plugins and applying the appropriate presets, which I assume you'd have to save in Bitwig first. That's the workflow we've had to adopt as my bandmate doesn't want to give up Cubarse and I am much happier in Studio One. But I make him do all the shit work - he supplies me with all those elements so I only have to load 'em in and get to work.

Or do you export stems from Bitwig and work from there?