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cron · Post by **cron** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:05 pm

Why is it that the music I want to buy is rarely in the shops?

Worth noting that, although fewer CDs are being sold, fewer releases are being made and put out. Doesn't really take a genius to see that more choice = more CDs that people will want.

cron · Post by **cron** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:13 pm

double post

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:15 pm

cron wrote:
cron wrote:
Why is it that the music I want to buy is rarely in the shops?
Worth noting that, although fewer CDs are being sold, fewer releases are being made and put out. Doesn't really take a genius to see that more choice = more CDs that people will want.

cron · Post by **cron** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:22 pm

Arses! That's the second time I've done that today. Bloody quote and edit buttons being right next to each other.

SecondSkin · Post by **SecondSkin** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:46 pm

zerobae wrote:"More than half of Amazon's book sales come from outside its top 130.000 titles. Rhapsody streams more songs each month beyond its top 10.000 than it does its top 10.000."

Check out this brilliant article called "The Long Tail" in Wired Magazine. Really worth a read!

Zerobae

Great article! I heartily recommend everyone read it. It seems that the major labels don't know the real market at all -- they cut their artist roster by 40-80% precisely at a time when those artists are capable of outselling the hits.

kab · Post by **kab** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:13 pm

You have to expect large chains to order CD's based on what the charts tell them is a "hit".

The long and short of it is, there are man other ways to get the music you're looking for, so its a plus to be able to circumvent going to these stores for music.

I have a hard time caring what they stock, or in what quantities

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:18 pm

I guess what I'm saying is that these major chains actually shape the charts by what they stock, and they only stock what charts so it's kind of a virtuous circle...

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:22 pm

Maybe we could have a system where we have an online site that is setup like the old mp3.com (~1998-99) anyone could join and anyone could sell their music..

with this site you'd have ratings, reviews, and sales figures.. ok.. the top of the top would be skimmed from the top and put onto another site, given a more 'pro' treatment to their cd (even if its just glass pressed cds and higher res printing) and released for a bit more (money - and a slightly higher % going to the label)

so.. those who just like to pickup whats 'hot' can get it at the everyday higher price.. those who like to search and find for themselves can get it at a much lower discount (and sooner since they wouldnt have to wait for the charts)

silly idea okay

just popped into my brain though...

kab · Post by **kab** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:26 pm

I guess what I'm saying is that these major chains actually shape the charts by what they stock

My guess would be that charts aren't initially shaped by CD sales... but then again, some would call me a consipiracy theorist.

You don't really think that someone who has a boatload of money invested in his/her career, is simply going to have thier songs thrown to the public, and lets see what happens?

It never raises a question when a song from a CD that isnt even out yet, "debuts" in the top 10?

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:30 pm

not really, several weeks/months of pre-release airplay and promotion helps...

or do you think it's the government?

cron · Post by **cron** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:34 pm

It'll be interesting to see how the mp3 services take off over the next decade or so. I've bought some stuff from Bleep and have been really happy. Wouldn't mind seeing some of the stuff there a little cheaper, though discounts for people who go on to buy the CD/already own it would be ideal.

EDIT: A little more on this. I download a LOT of mp3s, being honest. But I'll always buy the stuff I like. There's no other way to hear things before I buy them as the music I listen to gets no exposure at all, but Bleep will let you have a quick listen to the latest Kevin Drumm noisefest before you buy it.

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:41 pm

HI

Why should not buying CD's be weird?

What do you think most DJ's buy, or who do you imagine buys all those 12" vinyl's that are pressed in their thousands - every day, don't assume everyone falls into a neat CD consumer culture.

I know lot's of people that don't buy music full stop, I don't buy music anymore and haven't for about 10 years - but then I have a wardrobe full of vinyl and have pretty much heard as much 'other' peoples music as I care for - I had been an ardent purchaser of music since the late 60's through to the nineties, I prefer to concentrate on my own compositions - I have spent endless hours listerning to most every concievable genre, it only goes around in circles you know

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Flipper.

kab · Post by **kab** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:48 pm

not really, several weeks/months of pre-release airplay and promotion helps...

Pre-release airplay... sort of like jumbo shrimp, huh?

It's all very much a sham, and probably one of the reasons certain groups of listeners will automatically shy away from even paying attention to what is / isn't considered a hit. Its simply not relevant.

A little more on this. I download a LOT of mp3s, being honest. But I'll always buy the stuff I like

Ditto. MP3 quality isn't good enough to considered "a keeper", and artist do deserve some $$, even if its the pennies on the CD that some of them are awarded.

wrench45us · Post by **wrench45us** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:54 pm

My guess would be that charts aren't initially shaped by CD sales... but then again, some would call me a consipiracy theorist.

i think Prince threw a monkey wrench into the established system by including his latest CD in the price of his concert tickets -- so everyone in the audience at each concert got a copy.

the other side of it is record companies do promote nd publicize releases and artists are in many disputes about this because the way mosty deals are structured the artist is in debt to the company for the production costs -- so artists are very concerned about promotion.

consequently DIY

SuitcaseOfLizards · Post by **SuitcaseOfLizards** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:50 pm

zerobae wrote:"More than half of Amazon's book sales come from outside its top 130.000 titles. Rhapsody streams more songs each month beyond its top 10.000 than it does its top 10.000."

Check out this brilliant article called "The Long Tail" in Wired Magazine. Really worth a read!

Zerobae

Thanks for posting that link! A very, very interesting read indeed. Educational, even.

Thoughts on the music industry - CD sales in particular