Ableton Push 3 - standalone MPE controller

[pdxindy]

WE can only assume

First you correct someone else for speaking for others and now you speak for everyone.

[machinesworking]

Well to be flatly honest, I was being civil, you're looking for a debate here.

Show me where I haven't been civil? Please quote it here so I know what you are referencing. I see no discourse here. We have differing opinions and we've been discussing our viewpoints.

[wash_hands]
But, I concede to you. My interaction on the subject with you will end here.
[/wash_hands]

It's all good, I don't harbor grudges etc. but let's be fair here, your post was/is filled with you attempting not just to offer up a diverging opinion, but you suggesting corrections of my opinion. Passive aggressive is still aggressive.

[drez]

WE can only assume

First you correct someone else for speaking for others and now you speak for everyone.

Fair enough. "I can only assume"

[drez]

Well to be flatly honest, I was being civil, you're looking for a debate here.

Show me where I haven't been civil? Please quote it here so I know what you are referencing. I see no discourse here. We have differing opinions and we've been discussing our viewpoints.

[wash_hands]
But, I concede to you. My interaction on the subject with you will end here.
[/wash_hands]

It's all good, I don't harbor grudges etc. but let's be fair here, your post was/is filled with you attempting not just to offer up a diverging opinion, but you suggesting corrections of my opinion. Passive aggressive is still aggressive.

No grudges here either. I'm just done discussing it with you

[nanostream]

There’s a feature request for song mode over at Centercode with only a handful of upvotes. Maybe it’s just not important for a lot of people

I’d love to see it, though, and preferably Ableton will come up with something better than just a simple follow actions hack.

[elxsound]

There’s a feature request for song mode over at Centercode with only a handful of upvotes. Maybe it’s just not important for a lot of people

I’d love to see it, though, and preferably Ableton will come up with something better than just a simple follow actions hack.

I’m pretty sure its an important feature… I’ll add another vote.

I kind of got the feeling there weren’t too many people ready to jump on the public beta, so that might be part of it. Then there’s navigating centercode too, which is not always immediate for everyone.

I’m sure it’ll become more active as more people get their hands on Push 3

[machinesworking]

There’s a feature request for song mode over at Centercode with only a handful of upvotes. Maybe it’s just not important for a lot of people

I’d love to see it, though, and preferably Ableton will come up with something better than just a simple follow actions hack.

Well it’s also possible most people expect some sort of solution from Ableton so they’re going for other things? Center code is still mostly for Live isn’t it? I mean they didn’t make a Push Stand Alone section yet right? so that’s part of it I would guess.

[elxsound]

There’s a feature request for song mode over at Centercode with only a handful of upvotes. Maybe it’s just not important for a lot of people

I’d love to see it, though, and preferably Ableton will come up with something better than just a simple follow actions hack.

Well it’s also possible most people expect some sort of solution from Ableton so they’re going for other things? Center code is still mostly for Live isn’t it? I mean they didn’t make a Push Stand Alone section yet right? so that’s part of it I would guess.

There’s a dedicated Public Beta now for Standalone.

https://ableton.centercode.com/key/push ... ce=youtube

[machinesworking]

There’s a feature request for song mode over at Centercode with only a handful of upvotes. Maybe it’s just not important for a lot of people

I’d love to see it, though, and preferably Ableton will come up with something better than just a simple follow actions hack.

Well it’s also possible most people expect some sort of solution from Ableton so they’re going for other things? Center code is still mostly for Live isn’t it? I mean they didn’t make a Push Stand Alone section yet right? so that’s part of it I would guess.

There’s a dedicated Public Beta now for Standalone.

https://ableton.centercode.com/key/push ... ce=youtube

Thanks I forgot they announced that, and guess what the most popular feature request is?

[nanostream]

There’s a feature request for song mode over at Centercode with only a handful of upvotes. Maybe it’s just not important for a lot of people

I’d love to see it, though, and preferably Ableton will come up with something better than just a simple follow actions hack.

Well it’s also possible most people expect some sort of solution from Ableton so they’re going for other things? Center code is still mostly for Live isn’t it? I mean they didn’t make a Push Stand Alone section yet right? so that’s part of it I would guess.

There’s a dedicated Public Beta now for Standalone.

https://ableton.centercode.com/key/push ... ce=youtube

Oh, I wasn’t aware of this section, thanks for the link. Indeed, the most popular feature request over there is arrangement mode. The world is making sense again

[Trensharo]

There’s a feature request for song mode over at Centercode with only a handful of upvotes. Maybe it’s just not important for a lot of people

I’d love to see it, though, and preferably Ableton will come up with something better than just a simple follow actions hack.

Honestly, once a product like this is released, I pretty much write it off if it doesn't deliver what I'm looking for. Backtracking isn't something developers are really known for, especially when it's a hardware device like this.

They have enough people willing to buy it that they probably can afford to ignore those who will pass on it for that, anyways. Otherwise, it would have launched with the feature from day one.

[DrGonzo]

Honestly, once a product like this is released, I pretty much write it off if it doesn't deliver what I'm looking for. Backtracking isn't something developers are really known for, especially when it's a hardware device like this.

They have enough people willing to buy it that they probably can afford to ignore those who will pass on it for that, anyways. Otherwise, it would have launched with the feature from day one.

I find your strategy unusually refreshing. If people would focus more on what the product offers today, and ignore possible improvements (including those promised by the developer) - frustrations of the end users would reach minimal levels.

But that being said, normally I would agree with you. But not when it comes to Ableton. I have more faith in them then any other company. They are not fast though. Like a snail crawling through the garden. I say this partly because I've seen their commitment with buggy releases before, like was it Ableton Live 8? Or was it 9? At the end they ironed out all bugs and it was rock solid. And the fact that the standalone version is upgradeable, even by the end user, shows that they intend to develop this for the long run.

NI on the other hand has one of the worst track records of putting out products with great PR and advertising, just to leave it at that and do something else.

[elxsound]

There’s a feature request for song mode over at Centercode with only a handful of upvotes. Maybe it’s just not important for a lot of people

I’d love to see it, though, and preferably Ableton will come up with something better than just a simple follow actions hack.

Honestly, once a product like this is released, I pretty much write it off if it doesn't deliver what I'm looking for. Backtracking isn't something developers are really known for, especially when it's a hardware device like this.

They have enough people willing to buy it that they probably can afford to ignore those who will pass on it for that, anyways. Otherwise, it would have launched with the feature from day one.

To be clear, I 100% agree that you should only buy a product for what’s there, and not what you think will be there.

With hardware and software from a few developers, what you see on launch day is usually what works best at the moment, or is what’s most stable.

Release dates, from my perception of experiences with some companies, tends to be about meeting financial expectations for new revenue and its release becomes a compromise between income generation vs new features & stability.

If software/hardware could be released without any problems, I wouldn’t think that way.

Elektron is another company that has a reputation for releasing new features over the life of a supported product. As a consumer, it’s not clear what they’ll add but the perception with Elektron is usually that more is on the way.

We’ve seen the same from both Bitwig and Ableton who have both released new features as free updates overtime.

On top of it, Ableton has said Push is meant to have a long shelf-life with upgradable cpu/memory. There’s no way customers will pay more money to upgrade components, just to do the same thing they could before. There would absolutely be an expectation, that there’s a reason to pay more money and to do more.

Lastly… There’s no way I believe Ableton would be off the hook from not having a song-mode in Standalone. I do believe its possible to be an oversight in development, or more likely they haven’t worked out the bugs, but having seen how many people were regularly asking Elektron to add song-mode to Digitakt, there’s no way people won’t ask for it on Push 3 especially at the price of Standalone.

[elxsound]

was it Ableton Live 8? Or was it 9?

It was 8.

That started a much slower pace of major releases, and an emphasis on stability (or so I perceive it that way).

Before 8, they released a major pay-for upgrade annually.

[pdxindy]

was it Ableton Live 8? Or was it 9?

It was 8.

That started a much slower pace of major releases, and an emphasis on stability (or so I perceive it that way).

Before 8, they released a major pay-for upgrade annually.

8 was so buggy it was hardly useable. The outcry from users was so strong that Ableton promised to halt further development until it was stable... took more than a year.