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Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:48 am

hi guys, im no fan of izotope but the RX Suite is really great. lots os functions and great to repair also material where you cannot dive deeper anymore. so im wondering is Specralayers covering the same ground? i didnt know this at all, i watched some videos and was fascinated about the layer split. other than that can it do the same as RX Suite like declick, debreath and much more?

thx

EDITED:
added RipX

teilo · Post by **teilo** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:31 pm

They have a lot of overlap, but a lot that is unique to each. RX focuses on targeted algorithms for correcting various issues. A number of these are not available in SL. Things like: adjust guitar noise, correct microphone rustling on clothing, etc.

While SL also has some algorithms that overlap with RX, SL is designed more as a surgeon's tool allowing you to make precise spectral edits that are just not possible in RX. I use SL to edit pipe organ samples, for example, to correct misbehaving pipes that have a harsh attack. The spectral editing makes this trivial. I can move the transient attack to a separate layer, and attenuate it, or remove harsh harmonics, without effecting the main pipe harmonics.

SL 10 has a new stem splitting algorithm that is incredible. Splits instruments onto separate layers, and also can split kick, snare, and high hat on drum tracks.

SL is really great for pulling usable information out of bad recordings, and thus is often used in forensic work. But RX Advanced is as well. Honestly, I used both for different purposes, but if I had to choose just one, it would SL.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:34 pm

Don't forget about Acon Digital's Acoustica as an RX alternative. That one's much closer to RX than SL is IMO. Though, SL is far deeper than I use it.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:34 am

thx a lot!
i just found RipX stuff and it looks very interesting, it seems to be also a different tool especially seperating different layers which is very interesting to analyze songs and even change existing elements, this seems very specific not possible/in this quality with the other 2 tools.

for repairing im very happy with RX7, so i dunno if Spectralayers 10 pro would bring anything new for me.

teilo wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:31 pm They have a lot of overlap, but a lot that is unique to each. RX focuses on targeted algorithms for correcting various issues. A number of these are not available in SL. Things like: adjust guitar noise, correct microphone rustling on clothing, etc.

While SL also has some algorithms that overlap with RX, SL is designed more as a surgeon's tool allowing you to make precise spectral edits that are just not possible in RX. I use SL to edit pipe organ samples, for example, to correct misbehaving pipes that have a harsh attack. The spectral editing makes this trivial. I can move the transient attack to a separate layer, and attenuate it, or remove harsh harmonics, without effecting the main pipe harmonics.

SL 10 has a new stem splitting algorithm that is incredible. Splits instruments onto separate layers, and also can split kick, snare, and high hat on drum tracks.

SL is really great for pulling usable information out of bad recordings, and thus is often used in forensic work. But RX Advanced is as well. Honestly, I used both for different purposes, but if I had to choose just one, it would SL.

hmmm i need to checl Spectralayers somehow, cause correcting harsh attacks/attenuate annoying frequencies sounds very interesting! i got RX7 but it seems not being able much in this. and i am curious how well Spectralayers 10 pro vs RipX for seperating layers.

jules99 · Post by **jules99** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:54 am

There is no demo of SL 10 out right now, so we'd need someone who bought it to chime in. All I can say is that RipX beat RX by a long shot for stem separation. Its audio restoration features, however, are all over the place. It does have a few interesting features, but many lack detailed settings like RX. So you can just apply an effect without being able to tweak it. On the other hand, RipX' Harmonic Editor goes in to SL 10 territory in terms of detailed editing.

Maybe we need a shootout like this one but with SL 10: https://musictech.com/guides/buyers-gui ... ion-tools/

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:38 am

thx a lot! i only had a VERY VERY brief demo of RipX before i had to leave, i installed Deepremix, i dont know atm what the differences are from the 3 suites... and it seemed pretty great for 1 example i tried, i couldnt see the notes though, it sems this feature is another suite from them.

so far i need to find out:

Stems Seperation
Spectralayers 10 Pro vs RipX

Audio restauration/corrections
Spectralayers 10 Pro vs RX (i got 7 still and i like it)

i guess with RX7 im pretty much covered still, but still am interested in Spectralayers 10 Pro if it brings in this more to the table.

jules99 · Post by **jules99** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:59 am

What would you need to repair with a restoration suite? Background noise reduction? Fixing single elements like one note in a guitar recording? De-Rumble/De-Essing? All of the above?

dionenoid · Post by **dionenoid** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:27 am

RipX is the one to beat when it comes to stem separation, when compared to SL9, Acon and RX. Have yet to try SL10, but i've read that it it's somewhat comparable.
RipX is much cheaper tho (unless you get the expensive version for deep editing), but SL10 can work in your daw with ARA2. As a Cubase user i have a light version of Spectralayers included, but hardly used it because RipX was so much better.

There's also some free (online) tools that are pretty good at stem separation, but usually only let you do a few files in a month or so, or let you pay per file. Something to think about when you don't need it too often.
Pretty much all of these tools use the same engine for separation nowadays, so in essence they will all give the same results, which may vary depending on the source.

For audio restauration i would look at Acon Acoustica 7 Premium, very nice suite. Beats RX7 for me, but i'm not needing these kind of tools daily.
Acustica is more intuitive and snappy to use tho, and works flawless through ARA2 if needed. The individual plugins can be used in your daw, just like with RX, but there are way more plugins and they are far more cpu friendly. And it's a very flexible standalone audio editor, useful for many things other than audio restauration alone.

Oh, and in the few years that i own Acoustica 7 it was updated regularly, plus more stuff added, for free. Unlike with RX.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:34 am

thx so much, i need to check Acoustica cause i read it some time ago and izotope, im no fan of them and their whole price policy but RX7 still works so yeah need to sit down and demo Acoustica!

i used zplane Decoda for melodies and harmonies, it seems RipX also delivers here better from what i saw on youtube, need to check how well the note(s) recognition is.

Robin Lobel · Post by **Robin Lobel** » Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:55 am

If you want to compare the latest versions of SpectraLayers vs RipX vs Acoustica vs RX on stems unmixing, I've set up a comparison page here:
https://divideconcept.github.io/Unmix-Comparison/

strovoknights · Post by **strovoknights** » Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:50 pm

If you own SpectraLayers or RX, you get a 25% discount at RipX.
I can only compare with SL7 and RX7, but RipX results are outstanding.
I would recommend starting with the inexpensive RipX DeepRemix and paying the difference to upgrade to a higher version that supports ARA if needed.

Robin Lobel · Post by **Robin Lobel** » Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:16 pm

Check the post above for a comparison with the latest version of each.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sat Jul 08, 2023 8:59 pm

Robin Lobel wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:55 am If you want to compare the latest versions of SpectraLayers vs RipX vs Acoustica vs RX on stems unmixing, I've set up a comparison page here:
https://divideconcept.github.io/Unmix-Comparison/

thx so much!
clearly Spectralayers and Ripx are the winners. vocals it seems both are pretty much identical so far?
for drums, sometimes Spectralayers seems sometimes more impactful/more infos isolated?

Robin Lobel · Post by **Robin Lobel** » Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:17 pm

I added another comparison : Restoration Comparison, SpectraLayers vs RX vs Acoustica: https://divideconcept.github.io/Restoration-Comparison/

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:04 am

Robin Lobel wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:55 am If you want to compare the latest versions of SpectraLayers vs RipX vs Acoustica vs RX on stems unmixing, I've set up a comparison page here:
https://divideconcept.github.io/Unmix-Comparison/

Thanks for doing that - great demos.

I like that RX has tails more accurately intact on the drums, but that's about the only plus for RX. Guitar and Piano are pretty watery and choppy all round for RipX and Spectalayers, but could still be useful.

I definitely have my eye on Spectralayers, will likely jump at the first sale - hopefully they'll still discount the crossgrade price.

SpectraLayers 10 vs RX vs RipX?