Tal J-8

[CoolColJ]

Btw I asked on the Roland Cloud thread and don't recall getting an answer.
Can one really NOT set the arp speed on the Roland Cloud's JP-8?
rsp

You can, and sync it to DAW as well.
tempo knob to the left on the unison/poly mode buttons - middle left

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Hmmm I don't see a tempo knob I see a tempo button.

rsp

press the Tempo sync button, and see if the LFO rate slider does it

[zvenx]

That was the first thing I tried, when I coudln't find a slider to adjust arp speed.
Nope.
rsp

[mholloway]

Ok here it is

https://soundcloud.com/coolcolj/jupiter ... ria-jp8-v4

I'll let you guess which is which for now

Even with a relatively simple single oscillator sawtooth Arpeggiator sound, they don't sound anything alike.....
Really surprised me as when playing them I didn't think they were this different until I tried to match them to the real thing

Any difference in the Arpeggiator pattern is down to the synths, as I used their onboard ones

Thanks for the comparison. They all do sound pretty different, both from each other and from the hardware.

Weirdly enough my fav was #3, so imagine my surprise when I realized it's the Arturia, go figure! Though they've been doing pretty well for a while now with their emulations.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

There's definitely no Arp speed switch/knob on the Roland Cloud Jupiter-8. Which seems like a bug/oversight. Even if I control the plugin using my System-8 hardware, using the Jupiter-8 plug-out on the synth, the Arp Step knob on the hardware is lit up in green. This controls the note-subdivision from 1/4 at the slowest to 1/16T at the fastest. The fact that it's lit up in green is supposed to mean "this knob does something when this plug-out is used". But when I load the Roland Cloud Jupiter-8 and move that knob on the System-8 hardware (with the System-8 hardware mapping option checked in the plugin), nothing happens. It seems they removed that functionality. I'll forward this along to Roland Cloud support.

EDIT: the plot thickens!

On the System-8 hardware, the Arp Step knob controls the "Arp Range" on the Jupiter-8 Plug-Out.

However, when using the Jupiter-8 plugin, it doesn't actually move the Arp Range parameter either.

[zvenx]

Ok then...
rsp

[rod_zero]

There's definitely no Arp speed switch/knob on the Roland Cloud Jupiter-8. Which seems like a bug/oversight. Even if I control the plugin using my System-8 hardware, using the Jupiter-8 plug-out on the synth, the Arp Step knob on the hardware is lit up in green. This controls the note-subdivision from 1/4 at the slowest to 1/16T at the fastest. The fact that it's lit up in green is supposed to mean "this knob does something when this plug-out is used". But when I load the Roland Cloud Jupiter-8 and move that knob on the System-8 hardware (with the System-8 hardware mapping option checked in the plugin), nothing happens. It seems they removed that functionality. I'll forward this along to Roland Cloud support.

EDIT: the plot thickens!

On the System-8 hardware, the Arp Step knob controls the "Arp Range" on the Jupiter-8 Plug-Out.

However, when using the Jupiter-8 plugin, it doesn't actually move the Arp Range parameter either.

The system 8 arp controls and the effects ones have never output control for the plugouts in the computer, it is a very strange implementation.

Also, If I remeber correctly the arp also doesn't output the arpeggiated notes when using the system 8 as controllers.

Even more irritating in performance mode the arp is global, you can have it on/off for the two parts but not two different arp settings.

[CoolColJ]

I find that if you put in some saturation on the software versions it gets to be closer to the hardware.

I like to use some Nebula preamps or analog synth Line Amp programs to do that (Moog, Korg, Yamaha)
Not so much for obvious saturation, but for the hardware harmonics, which are sampled.
Adds a bit of the JP-8 glow, and removes the glassiness

Some old comparisons I made many years ago

JP8
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hVA4aR ... drive_link

Diva with JP8 template
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13l8rxD ... sp=sharing
Diva - with Nebula N-Ten-AT4 (Neve 1084 preamp with EQ in, but not used)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/14J6Z4k ... sp=sharing


I'm working another comparo, which is quite a bit more challenging sound to recreate .... and match on the emulations..

[CoolColJ]

Ok here it is

https://soundcloud.com/coolcolj/jupiter ... ria-jp8-v4

I'll let you guess which is which for now

Even with a relatively simple single oscillator sawtooth Arpeggiator sound, they don't sound anything alike.....
Really surprised me as when playing them I didn't think they were this different until I tried to match them to the real thing

Any difference in the Arpeggiator pattern is down to the synths, as I used their onboard ones

Thanks for the comparison. They all do sound pretty different, both from each other and from the hardware.

Weirdly enough my fav was #3, so imagine my surprise when I realized it's the Arturia, go figure! Though they've been doing pretty well for a while now with their emulations.

The bad thing about the Arturia is the inbuilt portamento in the attack of each note, even when it's off
Now that I have heard it, and aware of it, I hear it all the time!

[Digivolt]

Ok here it is

https://soundcloud.com/coolcolj/jupiter ... ria-jp8-v4

I'll let you guess which is which for now

Even with a relatively simple single oscillator sawtooth Arpeggiator sound, they don't sound anything alike.....
Really surprised me as when playing them I didn't think they were this different until I tried to match them to the real thing

Any difference in the Arpeggiator pattern is down to the synths, as I used their onboard ones

They all have their own character, really surprising but I wonder, if the original models they were modeled from, all sound as different to each other ?

[Uncle E]

There is variance in every real Jupiter-8 but I’d say they’re consistently pleasant sounding. Sounds that would be harsh on other synths (including real analogs) sound pleasant and polished on a Jupiter-8. I’m testing the Roland plugin now and am personally finding this to not be the case with it. There are many good sounds but also many harsh, unpleasant sounds.

[zvenx]

I was actually waiting for you to revisit this thread..
I was curious what you meant by:

Still, as soon as you release the results, I know which one I'm buying.

which one were you buying and why did his results part of that decision?
rsp

[Uncle E]

TAL was the one I picked. I thought "if that's a plugin, I'm buying it." I almost never feel that way when I listen to these blind tests.

I wanted to love the Roland because it's already mapped to my System-1.

[zvenx]

So you could tell that 1 was tal before he revealed it? Bravo.
rsp

[Uncle E]

So you could tell that 1 was tal before he revealed it? Bravo.

No, I had no idea. I just knew that I wanted to get 1, whatever it turned out to be.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

The TAL maps very well to the System-8. Just a quick MIDI Learn operation and you're good to go.