KVR Audio

Rene Sens · Post by **Rene Sens** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 1:36 pm

My main issue with Kontakt 7 is very strange and annoying memory allocation. It takes much more memory in fact than it shows.
I have a project with orchestra instruments. If I make the sum of memory each of the instrument take, it gives me roughly 4.5 GB. But in Task Manager I see something around 23 GB. Ok, minus DAW, anything else. Let be generous and say it's 20 GB. Where did they come from?
Does Kontakt load ALL articulations, regardless of which one is enabled? Like I activate only pizzicato, but Kontakt load all other 10+ articulations? Why?
Funny, that if I don't touch DAW, then after a while (say, an hour) the memory I see in Task Manager suddenly drops. Not to 4.5 GB, but somewhere around 6-8 GB. If Kontakt makes memory optimization, why it's not happening right away after it loads all the instruments. But again, why it loads what I don't use in the first place?

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:08 pm

Rene Sens wrote: Sun Jul 16, 2023 1:36 pm My main issue with Kontakt 7 is very strange and annoying memory allocation. It takes much more memory in fact than it shows.
I have a project with orchestra instruments. If I make the sum of memory each of the instrument take, it gives me roughly 4.5 GB. But in Task Manager I see something around 23 GB. Ok, minus DAW, anything else. Let be generous and say it's 20 GB. Where did they come from?
Does Kontakt load ALL articulations, regardless of which one is enabled? Like I activate only pizzicato, but Kontakt load all other 10+ articulations? Why?
Funny, that if I don't touch DAW, then after a while (say, an hour) the memory I see in Task Manager suddenly drops. Not to 4.5 GB, but somewhere around 6-8 GB. If Kontakt makes memory optimization, why it's not happening right away after it loads all the instruments. But again, why it loads what I don't use in the first place?

Kontakt just shows sample memory, not the total memory use by the instruments - scripting, GUI etc. Some patches don't use much sample RAM but are very thirsty in other ways.

bundoo · Post by **bundoo** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:56 pm

Whats the deal with NI? Their synths were awesome. Now its just samples and packs. Why update to the new Komplete? Sell me?

martiu · Post by **martiu** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:18 pm

bundoo wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:56 pm Whats the deal with NI? Their synths were awesome. Now its just samples and packs. Why update to the new Komplete? Sell me?

NI best, buy now

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:19 pm

bundoo wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:56 pm Sell me?

ok.
but ill need some particulars, no one is going to buy you without at least some information.

good teeth?
strong?
not allergic to anything are you?

mixyguy2 · Post by **mixyguy2** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:59 pm

bundoo wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:56 pm Whats the deal with NI? Their synths were awesome. Now its just samples and packs.

Yeah what's up with a company known primarily for a sample player offering a package with a lot of samples?

bundoo · Post by **bundoo** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 3:14 am

mixyguy2 wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:59 pm
bundoo wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:56 pm Whats the deal with NI? Their synths were awesome. Now its just samples and packs.
Yeah what's up with a company known primarily for a sample player offering a package with a lot of samples?

Thing is they weren't. They had Reaktor, FM8, Massive , Absynth, Battery, Kontakt etc

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:29 am

They still have all those synths and they are still awesome. The fact that some of you want shiny new toys every month does not make specific company bad. Actually quite the opposite.

bundoo · Post by **bundoo** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:42 am

The point is not that people want shiny new synths all the time, its that battery is basically dead, fm8 and absynth have been abandoned. Instead NI has now been absorbed into a shiny expansion pack black hole. Of course if you like that direction good for you, I just liked the old ethos of NI.

bundoo · Post by **bundoo** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:48 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Partners Nuff said

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:25 am

What? A company with a long record of building up under-performing companies by investing lots of money in to them, which they recoup by on-selling the business once it is worth a lot more than they paid for it. That seems like the perfect remedy for your issues to me.

bundoo wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:42 amThe point is not that people want shiny new synths all the time, its that battery is basically dead, fm8 and absynth have been abandoned.

Why would they continue development on what are already very full-featured, mature products? There has to be a point, beyond which it no longer makes sense to keep adding features and changing things around, just to sell upgrades.

I keep finding new things to buy from NI on a semi-regular basis - Straylight and Schema: DARK being the most recent examples. They may not interest you but you cannot deny they are good products, worth what NI are asking for them.

Anyway, I actually came here to complain that I opened a support ticket almost 3 weeks ago and haven't heard from them yet. As far as I'm concerned that is completely unacceptable for a company of NI's size.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 6:11 am

bundoo wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:42 am The point is not that people want shiny new synths all the time, its that battery is basically dead, fm8 and absynth have been abandoned. Instead NI has now been absorbed into a shiny expansion pack black hole. Of course if you like that direction good for you, I just liked the old ethos of NI.

The bane of software is people move on. Developers rarely stay around for ten plus years. Battery and FM8 are well over a decade old. It's very very likely the main developers have long since moved on. So they might get little fixes here and there, but at some point it's IMO likely they suffer the same fate as Abysnth. This isn't that much better for small companies, but it is better. I mean even U-He suffers from technical debt (Filtersacape and the FX suite), and has some plug ins not ported to Apple Silicon and in need of upgrades. Even Arturia have some deprecated software with Spark.

I'm looking at Air and Ohm Force, and questioning why we're that much harder on NI? Then on the lines of not keeping up, Vienna Ensemble Pro, Altiverb and Speakerphone, from "reputable" companies VSL and Audio Ease, haven't been upgraded to Apple Silicon or seen any real improvements in years.

Don't get me wrong, I would like to see improvements to Reaktor and Massive X, a new version of FM8 etc. I'm just saying nothing here is wildly unusual.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 6:14 am

BONES wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:25 am Anyway, I actually came here to complain that I opened a support ticket almost 3 weeks ago and haven't heard from them yet. As far as I'm concerned that is completely unacceptable for a company of NI's size.

Have you checked the support site? They have a bad habit of not having their "answer" send you an email, and the "ticket" is sitting there on their site. They may have answered and it didn't generate an email notifying you they did. (it's a stupid system IMO, but that's how they do it)

egbert101 · Post by **egbert101** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 3:27 pm

How dare I buy a product and expect a GUI which is actually readable.

martiu · Post by **martiu** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:19 pm

egbert101 wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 3:27 pm How dare I buy a product and expect a GUI which is actually readable.

no need read, buy now

Sad state of Native Instruments