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:lol:
if it is actually a musical problem, you've bypassed that utterly in favor of making it purely about a visual. So, my "complaint" about a supposed pads for 5 bars of 9 was in fact not sorted by your post at all. And that is very much the signal from you.

also I'm not complaining, I'm having a good time with it.

I think I've/we've been punked.
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jancivil wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:31 am 3 and 4 fitting into 12 is so obviously simpler than the problem set before us, good grief.
then it seems a bit obtuse to launch into total workarounds to the time signature whole thing from a clearly time-signature-centric thrust...
GuyaGuy wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:27 pm
mek42 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:09 am [] per voice.

the first 45 beats of the whole song:

Drums: 7 bars at 5/4 then 5 bars at 2/4
Melody 1: 15 bars of 3/4
Melody 2: 15 bars of 6/8
Pad: 5 bars of 9/4
math [, ...] you've already done. The only other thing is to figure out the time signature of your project, which in your case could just be 4/4.
:dog: It really couldn't because 4 doesn't go into 45 (let alone the fact that not one of the given time sigs is in 4 :hihi:).

past saying that, I'm loathe to respond as the problem seems like something someone just a' wantin' ta troll would concoct (let alone the musical meaning of 5 bars of pad in 9/4, youknow, vs drums in 35 + 10). And then I note that a visual "per voice" is called for before we have a DAW in front of is that will do this at all.

*sigh* if this is somehow real (and I bit off quite a lot before I arrived at my troll hypothesis):
If it's absolutely essential to have the visual indicate all of that, there are very few options around, DAW-wise.
(REAPER I'm really not featuring as one of them.)

If we proceed from the idea drums are probably important to a rhythmic schema, we might want the <single time signature> to be a factor of 5, but the prevalence of 3 as a factor - particularly that 9 - does throw the spanner in the works. I would say 45/4 and move on.
i think your arrogance here is pretty dismal - I hope you aren't like this all the time, would make for a miserable life

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Well, what are you showing me but misery, projecting? You can attack a person, congrats on your chops, there.
Besides that now we know for certain you don't grok what it was I said at all. This is your evidence for my arrogance and then my misery? Well I am like this pretty much all the time, and I don't have a lot of time for those who are like you. (I'm even saying there's a type, do whatever you like with that as well.)

Seriously, FOAD.

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jancivil wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:04 am Well, what are you showing me but misery, projecting? You can attack a person, congrats on your chops, there.
Besides that now we know for certain you don't grok what it was I said at all. This is your evidence for my arrogance and then my misery? Well I am like this pretty much all the time, and I don't have a lot of time for those who are like you. (I'm even saying there's a type, do whatever you like with that as well.)

Seriously, FOAD.
all the best,
have a lovely day

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Is this where I say "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.", or what

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jancivil wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:17 am Is this where I say "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.", or what
I mean it, not being sarcastic at all. I really hope you find some joy in your day. Just because I dont shy away from responding to your rudeness doesnt mean I hate you or wish you ill.

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That's just a thinly veiled version of the initial insult though. Which is really going for the gusto as you don't know me at all and seem rather desperate to portray me in the worst light possible, and with such a common, gross approach to that. I was honestly just amused (particularly with myself being slow on the uptake being trolled) before you took such a big shit here, as though you're unable to contain yourself facing a little bit of friction in an internet thread.

what transpired here was you taking some paragraphs I took a good bit of time with (did some work towards) trying to sort the original issue as though it - being put in musical terms, time signatures and what-not - was a musical question, that bit specifically as your evidence (in a battle of wits as it were) of my being a singularly miserable person, that is if I'm "like this all the time". Oh, I am, and I'm not worried about the assessment of the likes of you. How you like me now? lol

One might say that this much vitriol after not a terrific amount of provocation (oh what, I insulted REAPER?) looks like resentment of one that would be as articulate as I was. Pro tip: don't be doing that much but expecting the other person to sit and eat it.

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My rudeness? So those four paragraphs are justification for "i think your arrogance here is pretty dismal - I hope you aren't like this all the time, would make for a miserable life"?
(or it's a good excuse, what. FOAD) I wasn't even talking to you.
within the current restrictions It is just as easy to make something 73 beats long as 12, easy to have any division of the bar for every bar and everytrack
"within the current restrictions" any absurdity can be done in your approach or your lingo, instead of it being a musical problem. In the end you've at best got reduction to the absurd, while I did I would say 45/4 and move on. trying to answer 'what time signature' or somewhat. Before I saw that hopeless "answer" I hope someone with a real question might see some musical thinking.
(Note Well: there may well be a DAW that can provide non-absurd approaches to even this)
Any fool can concoct a bullshit workaround.

But f**k me, I fell for it with all the 3s and 5s and 15s, yeah?

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jancivil wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:31 am 3 and 4 fitting into 12 is so obviously simpler than the problem set before us, good grief.
then it seems a bit obtuse to launch into total workarounds to the time signature whole thing from a clearly time-signature-centric thrust...
GuyaGuy wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:27 pm
mek42 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:09 am [] per voice.

the first 45 beats of the whole song:

Drums: 7 bars at 5/4 then 5 bars at 2/4
Melody 1: 15 bars of 3/4
Melody 2: 15 bars of 6/8
Pad: 5 bars of 9/4
math [, ...] you've already done. The only other thing is to figure out the time signature of your project, which in your case could just be 4/4.
:dog: It really couldn't because 4 doesn't go into 45 (let alone the fact that not one of the given time sigs is in 4 :hihi:).

past saying that, I'm loathe to respond as the problem seems like something someone just a' wantin' ta troll would concoct (let alone the musical meaning of 5 bars of pad in 9/4, youknow, vs drums in 35 + 10). And then I note that a visual "per voice" is called for before we have a DAW in front of is that will do this at all.

*sigh* if this is somehow real (and I bit off quite a lot before I arrived at my troll hypothesis):
If it's absolutely essential to have the visual indicate all of that, there are very few options around, DAW-wise.
(REAPER I'm really not featuring as one of them.)

If we proceed from the idea drums are probably important to a rhythmic schema, we might want the <single time signature> to be a factor of 5, but the prevalence of 3 as a factor - particularly that 9 - does throw the spanner in the works. I would say 45/4 and move on.
The lower quarter pulse is what really matters. It doesn't really matter whether or not the bars end on a neat spot on the DAW grid. So the upper number isn't all that important either since there are multiple time signatures. Something like 45/4 just isn't useful and is almost always broken down to smaller units, as in Nik Bärtsch's polymetric scores. If OP wanted it to be more music theoretically correct, it could be 5/4, 9/4, or 3/4 if one of those is dominant but OP didn't specify.
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Reaper has note items so you can actually have a large 7/8 or whatever showing anywhere you want on any track. Just thought of that solution and tried it out. I hope this is of some use to the OP. Applies for midi items as well as audio and once again you can set up a 'resource' template track with one of every text note you might want and then just click and drag whichever one you want onto the spot you want. You could even set Reaper to open each new project including that template track at the top ready for use.

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