Best DAW for 14" laptop?

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apoclypse wrote: Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:26 am
Trensharo wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2023 7:35 pm
apoclypse wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:18 am I think it depends on the resolution of the screen really. If it's 1080P, that's a little too small (or big I guess if we are talking about the UI elements) imo. 1440P or 4K screen gives you a bit a more leeway.
Leeway in scaling, yes, but most people will settle on something that is basically scaled to 1080p on a panel this size, and any differences in PPI are basically invisible at normal viewing differences.

So, I'd always take a 120-144Hz FHD Panel on a 14" Laptop over a QHD and especially 4K Panel. I don't even think there is a legit reason to have a 14" 4K Panel in a laptop as it is unusable without extreme upscaling and the machine simply isn't used at distances where you will benefit greatly from it.

It's basically for marketing and to drive profit margins up, while being an efficiency sieve.
It's not about the pixel density it's about UI scaling. 1080P can be really tight if your DAW doesn't support UI scaling internally imo. 1440P gives you more room to work with, 4K give you more flexibility to scale to whatever you prefer (with some caveats on Windows). I would never buy a 1080P screen if I had a choice for DAW work. I would rather have the space.
Reading is fundamental.

100% Scale on my 14" FHD Ryzen Laptop is about the same as "More Space" on my 14" MacBook Pro (the smallest stock scaling setting most people are going to be using).

The difference between the two displays - ignoring the display tech itself (which can be a deciding factor - is the pixel density; how sharp the display looks at normal viewing distances due to the panel's native resolution.

On a 14" display, there is practically no difference in visible sharpness between the FHD Panel on my PC Laptop and the Retina Panel on my MBP. These displays are too small. I'd have to put my face on the screen to see the pixels in the FHD display. I cannot see pixels on either one, and the MBP would not be usable if it were scaled any smaller than "More Space," while also wasting too much screen real estate if scaled up beyond that (looks like a 768p display).

I have a 15.6" Laptop here and I basically can't see the Pixels on it at a normal viewing distance, either. I think you are overestimating how "tight" things are on a 14" FHD display at 100% scaling. That, or your vision is ~20/20. The latter is more of a personal consideration, and not generic.

On 14-15.6" Laptops, I always opt for High Framerate FHD displays (that don't use PWM, as it gives me migraines within 10 minutes of looking at them) because I simply set it to 100% scale and move on with my life.

Of course, whether or not that works for anyone else depends on how good their vision is, which is independent of these facts and will sway their decision appropriately. This is why I inferred that the flexibility in scaling is valid. Because people with less than optimal vision may want to scale up without the display looking pixelated.

I wouldn't even bother getting a QHD panel on a laptop unless it was some 16-17" Juggernaught, and even then I'd still end up scaling it up to look equivalent to a FHD panel because QHD resolution on a 15-16" Laptop is too small to be usable. I'd probably still opt for a FHD panel at that size, since any machine like that is likely to spend 75% of its life docked on a desktop, anyways.

Also have to factor in how the UI assets in the DAW are created. If they're low res bitmap assets, then that comes with its own issues when using any HiDPI displays.

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rubez wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 11:49 am I will try Bitwig demo it looks clean and modular.
I enjoy using Bitwig on the laptop.

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I used bitwig on my macbook air (13 i think) and now my mbp at 14, it is perfect.

One of the advantage is that you can configure all your shortcuts, so you can use this to change context very easily and quickly. When I was on reason, i was constantly resizing windows. Here, i am just pressing one key to display the context i want and it is instantaneous. So overall it is much faster.

Another crucial point on laptop is if you want to zoom/ navigate in the arrangement view. With previous DAWs I used, it was never intuitive the way I want.
Here it is "pinch to zoom" or unzoom. Like on your mobile phone. It is so intuitive that I stopped using a mouse. Even when I am at home I just use the track pad.

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Jac459 wrote: Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:40 am Here it is "pinch to zoom" or unzoom. Like on your mobile phone. It is so intuitive that I stopped using a mouse. Even when I am at home I just use the track pad.
I liked navigating so much on the laptop, that I bought Apples standalone track pad for navigating on my studio computer too. It's so fast to get around! :o

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pdxindy wrote: Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:44 am
Jac459 wrote: Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:40 am Here it is "pinch to zoom" or unzoom. Like on your mobile phone. It is so intuitive that I stopped using a mouse. Even when I am at home I just use the track pad.
I liked navigating so much on the laptop, that I bought Apples standalone track pad for navigating on my studio computer too. It's so fast to get around! :o
I didn't even know they have that. Interesting...

But the way did you try the multiscreen support of bitwig? How is it?
I was considering the ipad mini as a second additional screen.

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Jac459 wrote: Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:49 am But the way did you try the multiscreen support of bitwig? How is it?
I was considering the ipad mini as a second additional screen.
Never tried multi-screen setup. I'm satisfied with 1 screen... plus 2 big screens would take up too much space on my desk and start to get between my main monitors and my ears.

An iPad seems too small to be worth the effort.

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I have no problem whatsoever on a 13" display with either Logic, Live, Reason or Renoise. If scaled properly, none of those cause any trouble. Of course, on my 27" everything is more comfortable, but that's not the essence of the question.
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I was happy for decades on a 11“ Macbook Air. For me 14“ is huge… I am now on 13“ with Bitwig and don‘t miss anything…

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Any of the DAWs are doable on a 14" screen. I can manage Cubase on mine, though for sure fine editing can be a bit difficult. Even the piano roll is workable with, but I have to check numbers etc, as visible size of notes is difficult to see unless you zoom in. You definitely have to know some shortcuts to make it easier - all of the zoom in/out shortcuts are essential for small screen working. Plugins that can't resize can be indecipherable but there aren't many nowadays.

Having said that, most of the time I'll be in the studio with a full size monitor which is always going to be my preference. But it is definitely doable on 14". There's nothing I can't physically see in Cubase, and I'm an old fart with old fart eyes. Admittedly without reading glasses I'd need a braille laptop :hihi:

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Renoise, Reaper and Reason will all be perfectly fine, in my direct experience.
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Definitely Reaper.

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I use Mulab on a 13" MBAir and it's perfectly fine. A few of the plugins I use are huge, of course, but fit fine and are quite usable. It's also a very simple DAW and quick for me to work in with a minimum of swearing involved.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better? :(

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chk071 wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 9:43 amThey all don't display enough when your display is scaled, which it has to be, otherwise you won't be able to read anything on a 14" display.
That will depend entirely on the screen resolution. If it's an HD screen then everything will be perfectly readable at 100% scaling and you'll be using the screen res the GUI was designed for.
xalama qo wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:01 am As chk071 above said you'll have to scale Windows fonts etc to 125% at least to see anything
Again, absolute bollocks. It will always depend on the screen res, not on the size of the screen. Please stop talking absolute f**king nonsense.
But on a 14" screen you're going to feel the claustrophobia and will have to figure out a comfortable compromise using Windows scaling and the interface scaling in the DAW you choose.
Seriously, stop talking bollocks, you clearly have no f**king clue.
I'm using Win11 on a 15" laptop, and my eyes are so bad at the moment I've got Windows scaling at 150%. Looks lovely, but half my vst guis don't fit on the screen etc, but at least I can read the text! Fortunately it's a temporary situation, but no big screen sucks when your eyes are getting old!
OTOH, I've been working on a 12.8" screen for the past year or so, with everything running at 100% scaling and I've never had the tiniest issue with things fitting on screen. And my 64 year old eyes can see and read text perfectly well. I think maybe you need to look beyond the screen and sort out your environment if you are having trouble seeing things on a 15" screen.
apoclypse wrote: Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:26 am1080P can be really tight if your DAW doesn't support UI scaling internally imo.
Then your opinion isn't worth much.
1440P gives you more room to work with, 4K give you more flexibility to scale to whatever you prefer (with some caveats on Windows).
It just doesn't work like that, you can't scale somethings and not others. Either everything is scaled, except maybe some plugins that aren't designed for scaling, or nothing is scaled. So if you are scaling everything, why not just get a lower res screen in the first place?
I would never buy a 1080P screen if I had a choice for DAW work. I would rather have the space.
And I've worked on nothing other than 1080p or 1200p laptop screens for the past 17 years and never run into any problems at all.

Anyway, to answer the OP's question - it won't matter in the slightest which DAW you choose and you should not make it a consideration. Just get the DAW you want to use and it will be fine. I promise.
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BONES wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 3:01 pm
chk071 wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 9:43 amThey all don't display enough when your display is scaled, which it has to be, otherwise you won't be able to read anything on a 14" display.
That will depend entirely on the screen resolution. If it's an HD screen then everything will be perfectly readable at 100% scaling and you'll be using the screen res the GUI was designed for.
On a 14" screen? You must have eagle vision. I already have big difficulties with 100% scaling on 15.6" displays.

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