PLASMONIC - A new synth from Brian Clevinger

[BBFG#]

Maybe he could create a new plugin that goes beyond Absynth that easily reads and incorporates all previous Absynth presets/samples. Absonix for the win.
As far as Plasmonic, while I haven't bought it (yet), and have been limiting myself to certain constraints that keeps me from it for now - it remains in my "desktop demo" folder and gets played with regularly. Most things that have been in that folder are dismissed and discarded in a month or less.
This keeps me watching its development and pricing on a regular basis. Bottom line is I like its character and enjoy playing it. I just have to consider the systems it runs on and balance that with other personal factors. It would only take one added factor for me to commit to ownership.

[ThomasHelzle]

Not sure if it would really make sense for Brian to work again on Absynth or anything that reads it's presets etc. (if that would even be allowed under his contract with NI) - and to read the presets, it would have to have exactly the same modules etc. otherwise the presets would not work.

As a single developer, it would probably take him quite some time to update it and it may not be super exciting to dive into that old code. I imagine that a ton of stuff would have to be updated to really make it worthwhile.

As much as I enjoyed Absynth, I'll rather see new things from him, Plasmonic showed that he has quite some fresh ideas.

Water down the bridge...

[1234Hi5!]

My only complaint about the UX of Plasmonic is his IMO terrible choice (he has some nerd logic reason I've forgotten), to make course and fine adjustments reversed on sliders that are horizontal VS vertical. The rest is perfectly logical, and as a bonus works with touch screens really well.

yes, this bit.
I don't have complaints about any other aspect of the UI
but to increase the value of the parameters that have horizontal sliders requires you to click and drag the mouse down rather than up, which is different to every other knob or slider on every other interface in every other plugin I have, and also every daw I've ever used

it means I click and drag in the wrong direction every time because its contra to all my built in muscle memory

I'd just like an option/checkbox in the options to invert it - surely that can't be too many lines of code

[ThomasHelzle]

I assume you sent that to Brian?
Everybody on this thread has heard it, but we have a hard time changing it...

Cheers,

Tom

[machinesworking]

My only complaint about the UX of Plasmonic is his IMO terrible choice (he has some nerd logic reason I've forgotten), to make course and fine adjustments reversed on sliders that are horizontal VS vertical. The rest is perfectly logical, and as a bonus works with touch screens really well.

yes, this bit.
I don't have complaints about any other aspect of the UI
but to increase the value of the parameters that have horizontal sliders requires you to click and drag the mouse down rather than up, which is different to every other knob or slider on every other interface in every other plugin I have, and also every daw I've ever used

it means I click and drag in the wrong direction every time because its contra to all my built in muscle memory

I'd just like an option/checkbox in the options to invert it - surely that can't be too many lines of code

Im OK with that part, I use airplane controls on all mouse wheels if I can. What bugs me is course and fine adjustments are not consistent with any other plug in, left and bottom should be the same setting like course, but they are not.

[muki]

but to increase the value of the parameters that have horizontal sliders requires you to click and drag the mouse down rather than up, which ...

huh?
sorry not here - osx mojave with ttrackpad that is
increasing the value of a horizontal slider works perfectly and imho as expected by dragging
to the right (and decreasing by dragging to the left) (up/down does nothing)

maybe this behaviour migt be dependend on OS specific trackpad (mouse ?) settings ?
i.s.: socalled "natural" dragging vs wha-soever-it-gets-called)

[muki]

What bugs me is course and fine adjustments are not consistent with any other plug in, left and bottom should be the same setting like course, but they are not.

+1
yes, the vertical sliders should have "course" at buttom and "fine" at top
seems to be reversed...

[ThomasHelzle]

Here is the support page of Rhizomatic Software with mail addresses where all these requests should go:
https://rhizomatic.fr/index.php/contact/

Cheers,

Tom

[Echoes in the Attic]

My only complaint about the UX of Plasmonic is his IMO terrible choice (he has some nerd logic reason I've forgotten), to make course and fine adjustments reversed on sliders that are horizontal VS vertical. The rest is perfectly logical, and as a bonus works with touch screens really well.

yes, this bit.
I don't have complaints about any other aspect of the UI
but to increase the value of the parameters that have horizontal sliders requires you to click and drag the mouse down rather than up, which is different to every other knob or slider on every other interface in every other plugin I have, and also every daw I've ever used

it means I click and drag in the wrong direction every time because its contra to all my built in muscle memory

I'd just like an option/checkbox in the options to invert it - surely that can't be too many lines of code

Yes same here, I don't understand why there wouldn't be a simple checkbox. It still screws me up. I sent a support request about this long ago (hope you have too). It makes no sense to me that the coarse adjustment is on top with vertical but on the lower range when horizontal. The logic he said was because it was according to where the whole number values would be displayed as opposed to the decimal values. So finer (decimals) would be on the right for horizontal but on the bottom for vertical (I guess if numbers were taking multiple lines or something). I don't know that's crazy logic. It would be so much more intuitive to just remember that higher or lower range was coarse or fine. I might send another request bugging him to add an inversion option, at least for the horizontal.

[Echoes in the Attic]

What bugs me is course and fine adjustments are not consistent with any other plug in, left and bottom should be the same setting like course, but they are not.

+1
yes, the vertical sliders should have "course" at buttom and "fine" at top
seems to be reversed...

Personally I would prefer coarse be at the top of the range for both and fine be at the bottom. I don't know why but that's what I would do. By instinct I could to grab the top of the range to make a large adjustment.

An option for both would be great, then people can leave as is if they want.

[pdxindy]

At this point, I'm adjusted to how it is in Plasmonic... and since it is the only synth I have that has that sort of coarse/fine split anyway, it's not confusing.

[machinesworking]

What bugs me is course and fine adjustments are not consistent with any other plug in, left and bottom should be the same setting like course, but they are not.

+1
yes, the vertical sliders should have "course" at buttom and "fine" at top
seems to be reversed...

I feel like people are missing the main point I was trying to make. It's not that important to me that course be at the bottom or fine at top, you can get used to that.

Right now on vertical sliders Fine is at the bottom, on horizontal sliders Fine is to the right. To me and IMO most people left and bottom go together, should be the same function. You're literally grabbing in empty space for fine adjustments on horizontal sliders and filled space on vertical ones. It's counter intuitive, and is my only complaint about the UX, otherwise I love the interface.

[RobertH2]

I'm not being facetious here, I truly don't get the course/fine argument.

Time: Years Months Weeks Hours Minutes Seconds
Money: Dollars Cents
Numbers: Integers Decimals
Distance: Miles Yards Feet Inches
Distance Metric: Kilometers Meters Centimeters Millimeters
Weight: Tons Pounds Ounces
Music: Note Quarter Eighth
Angles: Degree Arcminute Arcsecond

In what COMMON numeric system are fine adjustments placed before course adjustments? What so hard about this? Makes perfect rational sense to me...

As for the vertical controls:
Higher = larger/course
Lower = smaller/fine
A simple easy model...

[aMUSEd]

I'm not being facetious here, I truly don't get the course/fine argument.

Time: Years Months Weeks Hours Minutes Seconds
Money: Dollars Cents
Numbers: Integers Decimals
Distance: Miles Yards Feet Inches
Distance Metric: Kilometers Meters Centimeters Millimeters
Weight: Tons Pounds Ounces
Music: Note Quarter Eighth
Angles: Degree Arcminute Arcsecond

In what COMMON numeric system are fine adjustments placed before course adjustments? What so hard about this? Makes perfect rational sense to me...

As for the vertical controls:
Higher = larger/course
Lower = smaller/fine
A simple easy model...

Yeah tbh this made sense to me.

However if anyone who has Komplete Kontrol and wants a more traditional layout I made a template when Plasmonic first came out that maps all sliders to pots and has the usual shift for fine control - see the NKS User Library (also all presets have been converted to NKS with previews)

[mountainmaster]

In what COMMON numeric system are fine adjustments placed before course adjustments?

Well, since you ask...

Date notation in many countries is day-month-year: fine-medium-coarse
Date notation in the US has no sensible order at all: medium-fine-coarse