Mastering Chains 2023

[vurt]

bones has been on a chart with taylor swift. this is a true fact.

and he is -2LUFS personified, on principle, so

apologies, it's literally the only thing i know about taylor swift
also one of the most shocking things i know, and ive seen some weird shit.

[donkey tugger]

swiftnovakrill.jpg

[PieBerger]

Read up about it before telling me what is world class. That is a subjective opinion

That's the point, what i say isn't subjective. Are just facts.

I took the liberty of doing the same for the first four entries of the Beatport Top 10 (all genres), to cover the base for the most popular electronic music releases too.

1. Peggy Gou - (It goes like) Nanana, -6LUFS
https://tunebat.com/Info/-It-Goes-Like- ... HWvUTneQ1w

2. Kevin de Vries - Metro, -4LUFS
https://tunebat.com/Info/Metro-Kevin-de ... kpvOTu7IXZ

3. Cloonnee - Fine Night, -11LUFS (more dynamic than I expected for a top 10 release, but still not -14LUFS)
https://tunebat.com/Info/Fine-Night-Clo ... zDBuFOPgdA

4. Fisher - Take it Off, -7LUFS
https://tunebat.com/Info/TAKE-IT-OFF-FI ... GN1zdWTvcB

The remaining 6 entries range from -8LUFS up to -4LUFS, which is entirely expected for modern dance music.

[ampetrosillo]

Anyway, this is my mastering chain.

1. Your mum.
2. Your sister.
3. Your daughter.
4. Some EQ.
and finally, your nana and some dither.

[PieBerger]

Anyway, this is my mastering chain.

1. Your mum.
2. Your sister.
3. Your daughter.
4. Some EQ.
and finally, your nana and some dither.

5. A bucket of vindaloo

[plexuss]

With respect, you are wrong. bla bla bla

You are as verbose as you are inflexible as you are walking down the wrong path. But I shall leave to your to self imposed ignorant bliss and excessive loudness at the cost of audio quality.

[ampetrosillo]

Anyway, this is my mastering chain.

1. Your mum.
2. Your sister.
3. Your daughter.
4. Some EQ.
and finally, your nana and some dither.

5. A bucket of vindaloo

Your nana is spicy enough.

[bundoo]

-4lufs?

How the f? That's ridiculous?

[motomotomoto]

Read up about it before telling me what is world class. That is a subjective opinion

That's the point, what i say isn't subjective. Are just facts.

That's an important chart
https://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200/

Let's just take a quick look at the first 4 positions

1) Speak Now (Taylor's Version) is -5LUFS
https://tunebat.com/Info/I-Can-See-You- ... O9NBy0ku4v

2) One Think At A Time is -5LUFS
https://tunebat.com/Info/One-Thing-At-A ... RN64jXzIxo

3) Genesis (it's an album, i just searched for the most played song inside this album on Spotify and it's PRC) -6LUFS
https://tunebat.com/Info/PRC-Peso-Pluma ... npY14rsTR2

4) Midnights from Taylor Swift, another album it's between -7 to -12
and it's a soft kind of music!
Anti-hero (again the most played on Spotify) is -7
https://tunebat.com/Info/Midnight-Rain- ... GsjB49SxLl

And this is POP music, shoudn't even needs to be loud, expecially some vibey music like Swift's songs, but it is!

If you keep searching you find close to none -14LUFS music in the top charts, even if the song, like the quieter one from Swift is pretty empty.

I don't understand how can you call chart analysis subjective. That's what it is, not mine or your opinion.

We can discuss if we like it or not, we can talk about how saturation, compression, clipping and limiting affect music. We can say what we like and dislike. How music could sound different with different way to master or mix it.

We can politely discuss on everythings, without calling troll who is saying something different from you.

But talking as the loudness war is over, it's just like blindly say yours is "the real religion" and that's pointless.
If pop music, even soft music is so loud, it just means loudness war it's more alive than ever.

You may like it or not, that's personal. But it's what it is

If you want to keep this discussion constructive, feel free to say your opinion that i totally respect.
But if you want to talk about what happens in the real world, where the charts and money are, and more importantly what most people is listening, let's take a look at facts.

I just picked the most famous chart and watched the first positions, i cannot be more objective than that.

It's a strange conversation for sure. I made a post on the mastering forum over at GS with some fairly specific details, one of which was that I was shooting for around -8 LUFS for my tracks because the well known hip hop label I am mastering songs for has that target for their masters.

Almost ALL the responses were from people telling me I should "educate" my clients and tell them that loudness doesn't matter and other such nonsense. Some even suggested I should refuse the job because they are being unreasonable.

Honestly it's just bizarre.

If you don't want to master your music at a level that is competitive with commercial releases in the genre you are in, that's fine, but don't act like people are insane for doing so. There are plenty of reasons why a louder master sounds different even when (some) streaming services are normalizing them via LUFS (in certain cases).

[sqigls]

sausage fest

[jethrobull]

Crysonic everything bundle
An eq
Compression
Sausage fattener
Compression
More eq
Elephant
Limiter 6
Limitlesss
Sausage rolls
-00000001 lufs

[sqigls]

you forgot nana

[jethrobull]

you forgot nana

Shiiiit

[sqigls]

and the vindaloo!


[shakes fist at crysonic everything bundle]

[BONES]

That's the point, what i say isn't subjective. Are just facts.

... Let's just take a quick look at the first 4 positions

... And this is POP music, shoudn't even needs to be loud, expecially some vibey music like Swift's songs, but it is!

If you keep searching you find close to none -14LUFS music in the top charts, even if the song, like the quieter one from Swift is pretty empty.

It doesn't work like that. Different streaming services, radio and physical copies will all have different loudness values, depending on their own rules. They may want you to submit at -14 LUFS for some technical reason, probably because they will process it further and if you give them something louder than -14, it might end up sounding awful once they've processed it. Our streams from Bandcamp, for example, are way louder than the mastered audio we upload.

The reason they make Pop loud is to make their song sound better than other Pop songs, because if something is louder it is always perceived as sounding better.

I took the liberty of doing the same for the first four entries of the Beatport Top 10 (all genres), to cover the base for the most popular electronic music releases too...

Now go and source the same songs from another source and see what you get. It's not an absolute any more.