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commerce · Post by **commerce** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:17 pm

mothra wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 7:01 pm The iPad Pro, at least the 2021 version is essentially an M1 Mac Mini with a portable screen. If Logic is working on M1 Macs, should be fairly easy for the ones that develop the OS itself to move it over.

Can I use my desktop plugins (M1/M2) on my iPad (M1/M2)?

Trensharo · Post by **Trensharo** » Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:03 am

A few misnomers in this thread.

1. The iPads do not perform the same as desktop Macs, unless you're only comparing to desktop Macs with M1 and M2 APUs. By that I mean literally, because "Pro" Macs start at the Pro level. I don't consider the 13" MBP to be a Pro Mac. It never has been in the past, and they probably should just call it "MacBook."

2. The M1 Pro in the base 14/16" MBPs from 2021 outperform the M2 APU in the best iPad Pros on the market right now. The MacBook Air is not a "Pro" Mac, and the 13" M1/M2 MBP was nothing more than a MacBook Air with a Touch Bar and a Fan (and a worse screen, in the case of the M2 model). It had the same Consumer-grade M1 APU in it as the Air. We didn't really get "actual" MacBook Pros until the 14/16" hit the market.

That's completely ignoring CPU Core upgrades on the M1/M2 Pro and the M1/M2 Max and Ultra SKUs. It's also ignoring TDP limitations, etc. that may be in place for different form factors, since I can guarantee this is far more lenient in a notebook than it would be in a phone or tablet. There's a reason why the M1 iPad Air ships with a 20W charger and the M1 MBP 13" shipped with a 67W Charger, and it wasn't just because of disparities in battery capacity... Benchmarks will not tell the full story here. When you're doing things like sustained video renders for real projects (not simply rendering out HWA CODECs with a Lut on top of some barely (if at all) edited footage), these things suddenly pop up.

3. The M-Series is probably based on the same base tech as the A-series chips they've been using in iPhones and iPads for the past decade+.

Trensharo · Post by **Trensharo** » Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:05 am

commerce wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:17 pm
mothra wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 7:01 pm The iPad Pro, at least the 2021 version is essentially an M1 Mac Mini with a portable screen. If Logic is working on M1 Macs, should be fairly easy for the ones that develop the OS itself to move it over.
Can I use my desktop plugins (M1/M2) on my iPad (M1/M2)?

AUv3-only on iPadOS.

Some vendors are shipping versions that are usable across, I think they have to be on the Mac/App Stores.

Trensharo · Post by **Trensharo** » Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:29 am

pdxindy wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 12:28 am
Tronam wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 12:14 am As an iPad DAW I'd say it still trails behind Cubasis 3 in various ways
In what ways?

Seems well ahead of Cubasis in other ways...

I think Cubasis is "safer" because it's cross platform and is perpetually purchased.

I do think Logic Pro is better... but it's a subscription purchase.

It does have better plug-ins and virtual instruments than Cubasis. For plug-ins you can close the gap somewhat by buying the Cubasis Waves plug-ins. Virtual Instruments, not so much.

That is actually a huge competitive advantage given what is available on iPad OS, the propensity towards subscriptions on mobile platforms, and the risk of having to "repurchase" plug-ins you already own on Desktop platforms (but are offered as separate purchases for mobile e.g. Scaler 2).

On mobile - particularly with Apple - there is also the obvious issue of you being forced to pay for upgrades that offer little to no practical benefit to you becasue developers love to withhold support when they know apple will release a platform update that breaks the software by dropping support for certain technologies. Instead of updating, they will release v2/3/whatever and you'll have to buy (or subscribe, if they switch business models).

Because the platform upgrade renders the older version inoperable, many users are forced to buy or at least temporarily subscribe to get their data out (esp. if it's a service-type software package).

This always happens on apple platforms. When apple dropped 32-Bit support, multiple apps that I just assumed had been 64-Bit required repurchase or upgrade (Things, Scrivener, etc.) and the same thing happened on iOS/iPadOS. The transition to Apple Silicon saw a lot of this happening. Steinberg held back almost all of their major product updates - barring WaveLab - to force people to pay for native builds (Cubase, HALion, etc.). Reason Studios did the same thing with Reason, then delayed it into oblivion.

Scotty · Post by **Scotty** » Sat Jul 29, 2023 1:14 am

I use Cubasis on the Ipad and I find very cut down. It's on the right path but we need more editing functions which we count on daily in Cubase. I'm using it as a recorder for my modular rig (6 inputs through a steinberg interface) Logic on the Ipad looks far more advanced to me based on the youtube videos I've watched. I don't have an Ipad powerful enough to run it yet but I will.

Trensharo wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:29 am
pdxindy wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 12:28 am
Tronam wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 12:14 am As an iPad DAW I'd say it still trails behind Cubasis 3 in various ways
In what ways?

Seems well ahead of Cubasis in other ways...

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Sat Jul 29, 2023 1:16 pm

Trensharo wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:03 am 3. The M-Series is probably based on the same base tech as the A-series chips they've been using in iPhones and iPads for the past decade+.

Not probably.... they in fact are.

Atlatnesiti · Post by **Atlatnesiti** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:26 pm

Atlatnesiti · Post by **Atlatnesiti** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:30 pm

Well, it’s deeper than that…
Logic projects are bidirectional I.e what you create in Mac you can open on iPad and viceversa
Create on iPad and seamlessly load the project to Mac and back again

Simply brilliant

Atlatnesiti · Post by **Atlatnesiti** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:35 pm

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Trensharo · Post by **Trensharo** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:35 pm

Scotty wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 1:14 am I use Cubasis on the Ipad and I find very cut down. It's on the right path but we need more editing functions which we count on daily in Cubase. I'm using it as a recorder for my modular rig (6 inputs through a steinberg interface) Logic on the Ipad looks far more advanced to me based on the youtube videos I've watched. I don't have an Ipad powerful enough to run it yet but I will.

Trensharo wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:29 am
pdxindy wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 12:28 am
Tronam wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 12:14 am As an iPad DAW I'd say it still trails behind Cubasis 3 in various ways
In what ways?

Seems well ahead of Cubasis in other ways...

They're both very cut down compared to the "Pro" desktop apps.

Cubase Elements is missing a lot of the editing features that Cubase Pro users have come to know and love, but that doesn't mean Steinberg will beef it up to the point where they are obsoleting their $580 flagship software with $30-99 Mobile Apps or Elements SKUs.

I have an iPad/Pencil powerful enough to run it, and have tried it. I also own Cubasis 3 on both iOS/iPadOS and Android. I have Cubase Pro and Logic Pro.

How do you know how they compare, if you don't even have the means to run the software to even look at it.

YouTube videos made the M1 look like it was more powerful than a Mac Pro by using 100% GPU Accelerated CODECs and using timelines with almost no processing on them. You really can't gouge much from the majority of YouTube content. The vast majority of it is revenue farming clickbait.

Also, please try to not top post..

Logic Pro on iPad... ?