Filter or other effect for slow attack, triggered by playing?

[YnJ]

I got this IR pack which is supposed to make your guitar sound like different string instruments, and it seems to sort of work as well, sounds more like an electric string instrument than an acoustic, still something. You need to place something which makes the attack work like a pad in front of the IR loader though, to make it work. I've tested it using a volume control, it would be much more practical with something which opened up each note automatically

What would you suggest I use, and how do I use it most effectively? I have a lot of stuff, including all the Melda products and most of the Plugin Alliance products, many of which I have never used, and might already own something I can use

[Funky40]

then, try out some FX which have onboard modulators.
You are definitly looking for a modulation-section which incloudes an envelope follower as a selectable option. ( sometimes just called "follower")

Several modern Fx, EQs or filters have such.
Fabfilter volcano3 or UVI "Shade" for example. Both filters/EQs.
"Shaperbox3" from Cableguys should be another option. Not 100% sure vs. this task.
Or go directly to VCV RAck2. surely the most powerful option. But way harder to find your way in.

volcano3 or "Shade" would be a good bet to have some test go^s.
"Shade" has also a plain Volume module you can load instead of a EQ-band.
Might be more flexible than volcano3 for a test-start.


edit: not sure if this will work well when completly automated by a envelope follwer.
I do such things. But then do i modulate the filter or VCA by hand.
One hand allways on a HW Fader.

[Funky40]

I've tested it using a volume control,

frankly speaking, thats what i would do !
for guitar, with a footpedal then.
Filters can be more musical. But its at the end of the day (for me) the same principle

But to notes here:
i patch within GigPerformer, a plugin host.
There, can i draw "curvatures" totally freely vs. my midi CC mapped controllers.
I can painstaikingly optimise the curvatures and can make a fader or footpedal act way way more musical, than what would be with common linear curvatures, as we have it in a DAW.
Especially when using a footpedal will such small detail make for a *huge* difference vs. how all feels.
The difference is like night and Day.
( i have a bass setup, i know how hard it is with footpedals)

talking here only the "manual" or "foot-based" "per-Note" approach.
Which is at the end of the day the most musical approach anyway.
Or even the only good working one.

one option might be though:
take VCV Rack, work with envelope followers and for example "jamm" the settings of these with a footpedal. Such direction might work also.
UVI "Shade" should be capable to run similarly working setup, iirc. ( jamming the parameters of a "follower" )
Otherwise, the real fancy setups, only doable with these Eurorack clone software environments. ( i prefer there VCV)


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[YnJ]

Thanks, a foot pedal wouldn't work as well for me as I intend to play a lot faster than I can move my foot. I have the Shaperbox 3, never used it though. Which effect were you thinking of?

[ChristopherWD]

If you have MDynamics, then you can adjust the processing shape so it can duck to silence when it hits a threshold, then release to simulate a fake slow attack. I'll upload a preset and it hopefully will be what you're after.

When you load the preset, you can then adjust the input (on the General Parameters tab) so it starts to react to your guitar's attack.

If you feel that it's too slow, you can adjust the release on the Dynamic Detection tab, but it will produce more artefacts the faster you make it. You can also manually edit the processing curve to adjust the shape of the "attack". I've also set the lookahead to 10ms so it can catch the attack properly without loud clicks.

Since it's a fixed threshold ducker, it means it won't react enough to really quiet notes, so you may also want to put another instance of MDynamics' compressor+expander before it goes into the ducker. This is mainly so the input is more squashed so it can have an easier time processing.

It's one way to do it at least. I'm sure there's easier ways but unfortunately I'm not too knowledgable about auto filter or dedicated plugins...

[YnJ]

If you have MDynamics, then you can adjust the processing shape so it can duck to silence when it hits a threshold, then release to simulate a fake slow attack. I'll upload a preset and it hopefully will be what you're after.

When you load the preset, you can then adjust the input (on the General Parameters tab) so it starts to react to your guitar's attack.

If you feel that it's too slow, you can adjust the release on the Dynamic Detection tab, but it will produce more artefacts the faster you make it. You can also manually edit the processing curve to adjust the shape of the "attack". I've also set the lookahead to 10ms so it can catch the attack properly without loud clicks.

Since it's a fixed threshold ducker, it means it won't react enough to really quiet notes, so you may also want to put another instance of MDynamics' compressor+expander before it goes into the ducker. This is mainly so the input is more squashed so it can have an easier time processing.

It's one way to do it at least. I'm sure there's easier ways but unfortunately I'm not too knowledgable about auto filter or dedicated plugins...

That was really nice of you! Thank you very much!

It works really well, and is with your instructions easy to adjust

[donkey tugger]

Had some pretty good results with this previously;

https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2015/0 ... pedal-vst/

[neverbefore]

my favourite volume shaper to do thigs like automatically fade in notes is https://www.molecularbytes.com/mbcms/in ... ctransient

[MattLeschuck]

I like to set up it up as a midi controlled effect to do this.. So anytime I press a key, I trigger and LFO / Envelope. Then I set that LFO / Envelope to modulate volume, cutoff, etc. You can do this with Shaperbox 3, but i prefer to do this stuff with KHS Snap Heap as it gives you more control over how the LFO / Envelope reacts.

[zerocrossing]

I've tested it using a volume control,

frankly speaking, thats what i would do !
for guitar, with a footpedal then.
Filters can be more musical. But its at the end of the day (for me) the same principle

Agreed. Plus, you can get something that does both volume and filter in the same pedal, if you desire, but a simple volume should do it, and you can just put a filter that has a built in envelope follower.

I think Amplitube is having a group buy right now, so you might get that for a very cheap price and there are a number of built in auto volume/filter things built in. You can also control them with a MIDI pedal, which is what I do. It will also host IRs so you’ll have a one stop solution and the models are actually very good for the most part, especially the newer ones.

[Uncle E]

Which IR pack is that?

[YnJ]

Which IR pack is that?

https://www.newvintageaudio.com/store/n ... al-ir-pack

[GaryG]

Had some pretty good results with this previously;

https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2015/0 ... pedal-vst/

Yeah, for classic 'slow gear' style slow attacks Pecheneg AutoSwell Light is the biz.

I'd also say look at Guitar Gadgets by Musical Entropy: https://www.musicalentropy.com/GuitarGadgets.html

The Sideways module, the triggering is subtly different to AutoSwell so may work better for your playing style.

[whyterabbyt]

I think Amplitube is having a group buy right now.... It will also host IRs

since when?

[Funky40]

Agreed. Plus, you can get something that does both volume and filter in the same pedal,

vs. speed vs. footpedals: probably a thing of play style.
Guitarists seem to be more in a hurry than a untrained piano-dabbler

i patch anyway in GigPerformer. I can -and do- create there morphs.
so, in my case, if i patch with filters, i also add a VCA to it, AND: would draw curvatures accordingly.
the good curvatures is allways, what makes this type of setup playable for me !
linear curves would not work for me. Unjammable

yet, i patch such setups just in front of delays !
but set it up in a way, that i can flip something, so i can use this fade-In play stuff also for normal (non delay-ed) playing.

You´d not do such setups outside of GP