Vital - Released

[Teksonik]

i think its flabbergasting that so many in here either are oblivious to what vital sounds like, or just cant hear it, or even worse, dont care. Its super interesting but also very shocking.
I mean, its ok to say a synth doesnt sound good. Its OK. You dont HAVE to like it. Sometimes I feel KVR is just an echo chamber and people are just saying what other people say.
Literally any other synth, doesnt sound like vital. Free or paid. Vital has a very unique sound. To pretend it doesnt is embarrasing.

Or and hear me out....other people spend their time enjoying the synth while some just waste their time complaining about it.

It's OK to say a synth doesn't sound good to you but to say it doesn't sound good to anybody is the height of pomposity.

The old "oooooh I have golden ears and if you can't hear what I think I hear then you should be embarrassed" is nothing but annoying. The only one who should be embarrassed is you.

Like I said, people have made thousands of presets for Vital including commercial sets because they like the synth and understand how to use it properly. No telling how many tracks Vital has been used in over the years.

It's not my favorite synth but I've enjoyed using Vital a great deal. But then I understand that we can enjoy something for what it is rather than whining about what it isn't.

My only complaint about Vital is that it appears to abandonware as once again Matt seems to have ghosted his user base. Version 1.5.5 has issues that have not been addressed and it doesn't look they'll get fixed at this point. I hope I'm wrong but I see no indication that Vital is under active development by Matt.

But that doesn't change the sound of the synth. Like I said, is it perfect? No of course not, nothing is perfect but in capable hands Vital can sound awesome.

[Masterofdisaster]

i think its flabbergasting that so many in here either are oblivious to what vital sounds like, or just cant hear it, or even worse, dont care. Its super interesting but also very shocking.
I mean, its ok to say a synth doesnt sound good. Its OK. You dont HAVE to like it. Sometimes I feel KVR is just an echo chamber and people are just saying what other people say.
Literally any other synth, doesnt sound like vital. Free or paid. Vital has a very unique sound. To pretend it doesnt is embarrasing.

Or and hear me out....other people spend their time enjoying the synth while some just waste their time complaining about it.

It's OK to say a synth doesn't sound good to you but to say it doesn't sound good to anybody is the height of pomposity.

The old "oooooh I have golden ears and if you can't hear what I think I hear then you should be embarrassed" is nothing but annoying. The only one who should be embarrassed is you.

Like I said, people have made thousands of presets for Vital including commercial sets because they like the synth and understand how to use it properly. No telling how many tracks Vital has been used in over the years.

It's not my favorite synth but I've enjoyed using Vital a great deal. But then I understand that we can enjoy something for what it is rather than whining about what it isn't.

My only complaint about Vital is that it appears to abandonware as once again Matt seems to have ghosted his user base. Version 1.5.5 has issues that have not been addressed and it doesn't look they'll get fixed at this point. I hope I'm wrong but I see no indication that Vital is under active development by Matt.

But that doesn't change the sound of the synth. Like I said, is it perfect? No of course not, nothing is perfect but in capable hands Vital can sound awesome.

man, that doesnt even make sense. why would ppl spend time saying its bad if its not bad? thats just a crazy logic right there. why do you not see the same people saying X synth is bad? its a silly little logic you have there.

golden ears? again, you mock people, that doesnt make sense either. you assume it means people dont know how to use it. if that were true youd see the exact same complaints on any synth wouldnt you? vital is literally one of the easiest synths to use.

[LFO8]

@lfo8
one is much louder than the other. and like i said previously, its much easier to hear in a supersaw where there is tons of movement and phasing. its very hard to hear just with a single saw wave. much of the synths color comes when there is movement, like a supersaw. would you mind doing that as a test instead? edit: im just getting loading now when i listen again, but if i had to guess based on this it would be B is vital

Oh.. supersaw.. you got it.

Again, which one is Vital, A.1 or B.1 ?

A.1: https://ln5.sync.com/dl/20026a860#msfi6 ... w-323mqfuu
B.1: https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7424a8c70#fmcb3 ... 8-unhz5gr8

[Masterofdisaster]

@lfo8
one is much louder than the other. and like i said previously, its much easier to hear in a supersaw where there is tons of movement and phasing. its very hard to hear just with a single saw wave. much of the synths color comes when there is movement, like a supersaw. would you mind doing that as a test instead? edit: im just getting loading now when i listen again, but if i had to guess based on this it would be B is vital

Oh.. supersaw.. you got it.

Again, which one is Vital, A.1 or B.1 ?

A.1: https://ln5.sync.com/dl/20026a860#msfi6 ... w-323mqfuu
B.1: https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7424a8c70#fmcb3 ... 8-unhz5gr8

A

[BBFG#]

I had uninstalled it awhile back as it was feeling a bit 'meh' at the time. After reading a few comments here, I decided to redownload and install the latest version. And while I can't say if or how it has improved from the version I originally had, I wonder what I missed then. Perhaps just the time to dig into it? It does have a 'flatter' character in comparison to some other things I use and that's not a good or bad thing, just a difference that I feel should make a place for it. Especially at the free level and that it fills my desire to include it as a 3OS ready plugin. Anyway, at version 1.5.5, it feels more like something I want to keep playing with. Maybe even take the leap of purchasing at some point?

[fisherKing]

Go on then

Which one is Vital? A or B?

A: https://ln5.sync.com/dl/dc4fd0b70#59t3m ... k-cu7yk3ba

B: https://ln5.sync.com/dl/6aac99b70#znvqr ... i-4ipjj4ib

i liked A, but also liked B. i thought the performance was better on A, but that B ultimately had 'more feeling'. they both sound good, but A is definitely the one most people will play first...

[LFO8]

Go on then

Which one is Vital? A or B?

A: https://ln5.sync.com/dl/dc4fd0b70#59t3m ... k-cu7yk3ba

B: https://ln5.sync.com/dl/6aac99b70#znvqr ... i-4ipjj4ib

i liked A, but also liked B. i thought the performance was better on A, but that B ultimately had 'more feeling'. they both sound good, but A is definitely the one most people will play first...

[LFO8]

Well they are BOTH Vital anyways.

[El°HYM]

Just imagine the trickery.

[Teksonik]

why would ppl spend time saying its bad if its not bad? thats just a crazy logic right there

You are confusing your opinion with fact and that's as illogical as you can get.

You've only been here less than 6 months and have about 90 posts. You haven't earned the right to have your opinion automatically respected. Again who is wrong, everyone who likes the sound of Vital or the one newbie who doesn't ?

You certainly have a right to express your opinion but you don't have a right to consider your opinion as fact or to ridicule people who don't hear some perceived fault at near dog whistle frequencies.

Again the fact is that people have made thousands of presets for Vital and have happily used it in untold number of projects.

If you don't like the sound of Vital that's fine but accept that there are people who do like the sound. Your opinion is not going to change their opinions. I can't make it any simpler than that.

If you still don't get it then for the sake of all just move on to some synth you do like the sound of....

[Teksonik]

if i had to guess based on this it would be B is vital

A

Well they are BOTH Vital anyways.

I rest my case. You couldn't even identify your imaginary problem in Vital.

Do yourself a favor and move on before you embarrass yourself any further....

[Alexander137]

Blind tests always confuse people who claim to hear more than others)

[Teksonik]

I had uninstalled it awhile back as it was feeling a bit 'meh' at the time. After reading a few comments here, I decided to redownload and install the latest version. And while I can't say if or how it has improved from the version I originally had, I wonder what I missed then. Perhaps just the time to dig into it? It does have a 'flatter' character in comparison to some other things I use and that's not a good or bad thing, just a difference that I feel should make a place for it.

Every synth should have it's own character. But that character can be pleasing or not depending on the individual.

Again Vital is not my favorite synth but I purchased it in the early access period and have enjoyed it ever since.

However I don't know if I can in good conscience recommend anyone buying it at this time. The lack of interaction from Matt and the fact that 1.5.5 still has issues (you can follow them at the Vital forums which Matt seems to have ghosted...again) is disconcerting.

I've said since day one that Matt made a huge mistake in releasing a nearly un-crippled free version of Vital. It gave people very little incentive to purchase because all you get is more TTWT per day and supposedly more preset content. The subscription model was supposed to get even more content over time and priority service but I don't have any evidence that either of those things has happened.

So to sum up, great synth but has some bugs and a very uncertain future.

[Teksonik]

Blind tests always confuse people who claim to hear more than others)

Blind tests always expose posers.

I've always wanted someone to do an A/B test between a hardware unit and the software emulation and then tell people the software is actually the hardware.

Then we can all be amused as people fall all over themselves praising the version they think is the hardware and insult what they think is the software because it "doesn't sound anything like the original".

Anyway spurred on by this thread I'm going to spend a little time with Vital today. I don't use it in projects due to the reasons mentioned above but it's still a fun synth to patch and play. The TWWT feature is worth it alone as those can be burned to .wav files and used on other plugins and applications.

[audiojunkie]

Not that I really care..... but.....Rather than doing trick questions, I think the old Sesame Street "One of these things is not like the other"* tests would be better and more legitimate. And instead of playing each of the four recordings by hand, record each of the four tracks with the exact midi sequence. The user would then have to pick the correct one out of the four. If a particular synth has a particular characteristic that is undesirable, it should be easy to choose the odd one out of the four.

* For those who didn't grow up in the United States in the 70s, there is a children's show that shows four options, with 3 being of one type, and one being of another type. The children have to choose the one that is different out of the four. There is a song with it that starts with the words, "One of these things are not like the other".