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tripleflows · Post by **tripleflows** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:14 am

Hi Jon,

I've looked a lot at Roland Cloud products, I've tried them twice, but somehow they were not convincing, at least some years ago.

Please communicate to the planner / dev team that the software should NOT follow the original hardware limitations and should rather use the capabilities of modern processors. For example, Korg has released the Korg Prophecy plug-in as a 64 polyphonic, which was originally a monophonic instrument.

I don't mean structural/engine improvements of these legacy products, but certainly
* increasing polyphony
* and at least keeping original multitimbral capabilities.

For example, I was close to buy the Roland Cloud subscription because I wanted the XV 5080 rompler. Then I realized by the PDF manual that the layering capabilities of the Performance mode is missing. E.g. in Korg Triton / Extreme VST, the same Combi mode is perfectly implemented.

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:48 am

ChamomileShark wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:09 pm Does anyone remember whether last December's P4L extended into the new year? I probably won't have the funds this year but on 1st Jan 2024 it's a new financial year for me.

Yes, it went up to Jan. 10, 2023

https://www.rolandcloud.com/news/play-4 ... e-holidays

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:56 am

tripleflows wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:14 am Hi Jon,

I've looked a lot at Roland Cloud products, I've tried them twice, but somehow they were not convincing, at least some years ago.

Please communicate to the planner / dev team that the software should NOT follow the original hardware limitations and should rather use the capabilities of modern processors. For example, Korg has released the Korg Prophecy plug-in as a 64 polyphonic, which was originally a monophonic instrument.

I don't mean structural/engine improvements of these legacy products, but certainly
* increasing polyphony
* and at least keeping original multitimbral capabilities.

For example, I was close to buy the Roland Cloud subscription because I wanted the XV 5080 rompler. Then I realized by the PDF manual that the layering capabilities of the Performance mode is missing. E.g. in Korg Triton / Extreme VST, the same Combi mode is perfectly implemented.

Some of them (e.g. JD-800) could use some more presets too. It has just 128, and it would be nice to have some extra banks like the D-50 has.

EscapingJupiter · Post by **EscapingJupiter** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:03 am

There are tons of sounds available for the plugin here https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... ostcount=6

Some of them (e.g. JD-800) could use some more presets too. It has just 128, and it would be nice to have some extra banks like the D-50 has.
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Synthman2000 · Post by **Synthman2000** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:07 am

Is Roland cloud subs only ? I think I read about a forever licence, I made an account, could not quite understand how it works, it all very poorly explained. I sent a message to support and they did not answer.

I am not impressed by it all but if I could get a non subs based forever licence for some of the synths I might be interested.

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:15 am

EscapingJupiter wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:03 am There are tons of sounds available for the plugin here https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... ostcount=6

Some of them (e.g. JD-800) could use some more presets too. It has just 128, and it would be nice to have some extra banks like the D-50 has.

OK yes, but I mean for $149 you should get a bit more automatically, and so you don't have to go looking for extras like that. Here are some I made for it:
https://www.kvraudio.com/banks.php?s=one&id=3601

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:16 am

egbert101 · Post by **egbert101** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:18 am

Yes, I don't touch the Roland Cloud but have a System 8, TR-8, MC-707, so I'm not signing up just for that one synth I want. Shame I can't just buy the damn synth I want.

tripleflows · Post by **tripleflows** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:29 am

egbert101 wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:18 am Yes, I don't touch the Roland Cloud but have a System 8, TR-8, MC-707, so I'm not signing up just for that one synth I want. Shame I can't just buy the damn synth I want.

Most of them you can buy as permanent license already.

ChamomileShark · Post by **ChamomileShark** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:38 am

@ Examigen, thanks!

egbert101 wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:18 am Yes, I don't touch the Roland Cloud but have a System 8, TR-8, MC-707, so I'm not signing up just for that one synth I want. Shame I can't just buy the damn synth I want.

Most you can buy lifetime keys?

egbert101 · Post by **egbert101** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:41 pm

Ok, that's good to know, still a bit pricey, and I doubt they go on sale?

ChamomileShark · Post by **ChamomileShark** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:03 pm

egbert101 wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:41 pm Ok, that's good to know, still a bit pricey, and I doubt they go on sale?

I've not see them go on sale as plugins, but if you get a Pro Play4life subscription for $99.99 then you get a lifetime key for a plugin (except Zenology Pro) so effectively you get one of the $199 or $149 plugins for just $100.

Jon at Roland · Post by **Jon at Roland** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:18 pm

Mogular wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:42 am @Jon at Roland, Just checking that you have noted the fact that the new updates for the JV and XV plugins are not working smoothly on some silicon macs. In my case, trying to play either of the plugins live results in lots of clicks and pops. However, once I've recorded a part, I can easily play it back without any issues.
This differs from all the other plugins that have been uplifted to Apple Silicon support. I am able to play all of them live as well as recorded without issues.
I am on an M1 Max 64gb with the latest version of Ventura and on the latest version of Logic. I am running in native mode.
I've also tested the plug-ins in Ableton Live as well as Komplete Kontrol and I have the same issues.

Hey Mogular! After everything is updated and you've restarted your machine, if the problem still persists, the best thing to do would be to reach out through our customer support portal so we can get all your information down and see if we can find a solution. Thanks for this feedback we really appreciate it.

WatchTheGuitar wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:33 am It’s quite amusing if Roland has a team of devs who can produce remarkably accurate emulations of analog circuitry but can’t change a label’s x position on the XV 5080 or work out how to change the speed of an arp. Makes me wonder if they even have a dedicated team because if they did then surely we’d see continuous improvement on simple to fix features like that. Maybe all their dev work is bought in.

As I mentioned before, Roland Cloud has a small but extremely dedicated international team that is constantly working to ensure our broad and diverse customer base has a satisfying experience using Roland Cloud. The last updates were specifically focused on ensuring that compatibility was improved for all of our plug ins. These updates have included many long requested features and improvements as well as well as routine maintenance and they will not be the last.

ChamomileShark wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:16 pm I'm wondering why the JP4, JP8 and Juno 106 all went to version 2 which included the circuit mod thing, but the Juno 60 didn't. I don't suppose Jon can comment but that seems odd.

Hey ChamomileShark! The last round of updates was meant to expedite compatibility specifically. The Circuit Mod is a very cool new addition to v2 of the JUPITER-4, JUPITER-8 and JUNO-106 and I would love to see it extended to the JUNO-60 as well. I'll make sure to make a note of this for you and expect to see feature updates like the Circuit Mod in the future as well.

Synthman2000 wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:07 am Is Roland cloud subs only ? I think I read about a forever licence, I made an account, could not quite understand how it works, it all very poorly explained. I sent a message to support and they did not answer.

I am not impressed by it all but if I could get a non subs based forever licence for some of the synths I might be interested.

Hey there Synthman2000. A membership is not required to use Roland Cloud! Our plug-ins can be bought as Lifetime Keys, which essentially buy you a license to the instrument that you can keep for life. You need to have a free Roland Cloud account as well as downloaded Roland Cloud Manager. Once these are done you can purchase any Lifetime Key by selecting the three dots next to any instrument icon in Roland Cloud and click the cart button. Great question.

Frankie.T · Post by **Frankie.T** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:24 pm

@Jon at Roland
I discovered your products thanks to a friend that have a subs to your products. I really liked the sound of your stuff, although i decided to not spend any money into services/products that require an online authorization.

Is it possible to buy a plugin with a key file that doesn't require any online/server connection? Something like U-he and Serum, just to name few.
If is not possible right now, is possible for you to take this solution into consideration?

Thanks

D-Fusion · Post by **D-Fusion** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:30 pm

Frankie.T wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:24 pm @Jon at Roland
I discovered your products thanks to a friend that have a subs to your products. I really liked the sound of your stuff, although i decided to not spend any money into services/products that require an online authorization.

Is it possible to buy a plugin with a key file that doesn't require any online/server connection? Something like U-he and Serum, just to name few.
If is not possible right now, is possible for you to take this solution into consideration?

Thanks

I am not Jon but they have showed no interest in Changing their Copy protection method except for changing it from 7 days to 30 days so your only option is to reauthorize every 30 days if you buy a lifetime key.