Digital performer is ridiculous.

[mgw38]

edit: but i guess the upside to being a boomer is you'll be likely be dead before the whole world goes into on fire climate collapse.

That was the plan from the very beginning.

[dayjob]

edit: but i guess the upside to being a boomer is you'll be likely be dead before the whole world goes into on fire climate collapse.

That was the plan from the very beginning.

we know.

[machinesworking]

Coming back to this just to give a bit of a middle finger.

Current online Diva test, tweaked settings to 128 buffer 48K sample rate.
https://music-prod.com/logic-pro-benchm ... 4Q9k6B8qKs

Logic Pro- 91 tracks.
It gets 105 tracks tweaked with a larger processor buffer range, and set to use all 24 cores.

Digital Performer- 136 tracks.
DP uses every core on the Studio here to almost full.

Reaper 136 It famously gets the most tracks, but not here. Interesting that they read the exact same in this test.

Basically DP in the hands of someone who can set it up and use it, works at Reapers level of efficiency without the Windows 98 look.

[lfm]

Violins are ridiculous. They're scratchy-sounding and out of tune. The fingerboards are tiny and the strings are so close together. And what do you mean no frets? I can't believe people use these things. What was Stradivari thinking?!

If I was using a crap scratchy violin, I wouldn’t persevere. I’d just find a better violin that was nicer to work with.

Even noticing the sarcasm I think I would invent a new type of bow, in nylon or something, so level cannot be heard and disturb surroundings practising.

So you would need pickups on it, and then a preamp and headphones.

What a wonderful world this would be.

About DP performance, you have a different beast in windows than on mac. It's been since stone age on Mac and optimized in every way.

And also think Reaper is ran more on windows by devs, so not as efficient on mac.
- just assuming....

[dayjob]

Basically DP in the hands of someone who can set it up and use it, works at Reapers level of efficiency without the Windows 98 look.

i'm not a reaper user but have installed it to look around and i downloaded someone's skin they made for it. it's quite easy to change the look and it looks quite good really and modern.

i own DP and use it sometimes.. usually until it annoys me too much then i bounce the tracks out and load them in something else. it's very powerful. there's loads it can do and midi sequencing in it is great once you get used to it.. still.. there's so much legacy crap under the hood and i seem to get frustrated with it before it really imprints on my memory and I move on. so it goes.. i should use it more but other things are way more fun and productive for me.

[machinesworking]

About DP performance, you have a different beast in windows than on mac. It's been since stone age on Mac and optimized in every way.

And also think Reaper is ran more on windows by devs, so not as efficient on mac.
- just assuming....

Reaper is super efficient on Mac too.
Reapers internal code sans GUI elements is clean, so it's solid on any platform, and let's face it, it's GUI is bare bones!

I can't speak for the Windows version of DP, but I get the impression that it's just much more touchy about components, i.e. some people report it running badly, others say it performs well. The biggest issues with DAWs and cross platform is GUI UX elements and plug ins. MOTU being a small company all told, they probably can't test all 10,000 Windows VSTs.

Without those concerns getting in the way, I can't imagine the code that is cross platform is any less efficient?

[machinesworking]

Basically DP in the hands of someone who can set it up and use it, works at Reapers level of efficiency without the Windows 98 look.

i'm not a reaper user but have installed it to look around and i downloaded someone's skin they made for it. it's quite easy to change the look and it looks quite good really and modern.

Did you open up any window besides the main arrangement?
I have a great Theme for it, but the pop up windows for plug ins, and any preference at all, or even the MIDI editor, all windows 98. It's my second choice of main DAW, I like Logic, but Reaper is customizable, so it appeals more to the geek in me.

i own DP and use it sometimes.. usually until it annoys me too much then i bounce the tracks out and load them in something else. it's very powerful. there's loads it can do and midi sequencing in it is great once you get used to it.. still.. there's so much legacy crap under the hood and i seem to get frustrated with it before it really imprints on my memory and I move on. so it goes.. i should use it more but other things are way more fun and productive for me.

Mostly we all are subject to what we used at first in terms of what we think of as "normal". So if you used Logic first then some of DPs ways are odd. I ended up with 6 odd DAWs here, by accident of trying to find the one that worked with MPE the best, and the rule of thumb is if I haven't used that DAW In months and open it, it's like molasses to do basic things in it. The other night I was running that CPU test and there are 4 muted tracks in Logic, well, they're actually disabled tracks, but Logic doesn't call it that, it's a "track mute", which is a separate mute command from MIDI and audio mute in the actual timeline. I mean seriously that one thing caused at least 15 minutes of internet and PDF searching before I could come up with the key command, because apparently there's no menu item for it.... Exporting MIDI from Logic, I have no clue as to how to get it to only do the selected track? I'm pretty certain it can't and what it does export is almost unusable, doing things like repeating each loop into a new track. Since it was just a repeating 7 note chord I just replicated it in Reaper and DP.

Point is a Logic user would find some of the same issues with DP if Logic was their first and main DAW. The more complex DAWs like Cubase, Logic, Reaper and DP all have some odd parts to their workflow that may or may not have legitimate reasons for existing.

[dayjob]

DP was the first thing i used for midi sequencing but i didn't own it. was at a friend's place. then logic came up on sale w/the audiowerk8 card (i'm old) and so i got in on it then and it served me well for a long time. i'm still pretty comfortable in logic but DP seems so cluttered to me and i get annoyed at all the windows even when switching from different sets with quick keys. i always end up wondering how the fvck i got to where i am and wishing i could just scrap a bunch of things into a UI trashcan so they wouldn't show up again unless i bothered taking them out of the trash.

[machinesworking]

DP was the first thing i used for midi sequencing but i didn't own it. was at a friend's place. then logic came up on sale w/the audiowerk8 card (i'm old) and so i got in on it then and it served me well for a long time. i'm still pretty comfortable in logic but DP seems so cluttered to me and i get annoyed at all the windows even when switching from different sets with quick keys. i always end up wondering how the fvck i got to where i am and wishing i could just scrap a bunch of things into a UI trashcan so they wouldn't show up again unless i bothered taking them out of the trash.

Personally I stay 90% of the time in the Consolidated window. I don’t really use window sets, I just set up the consolidated window to work with only one main window and use shortcuts to bounce around. So all the sub windows like the event list, Soundbites, track selector, channel strip for selection etc. are in the side windows. The only windows I like to use outside of the Consolidated window are the MIDI editor and mixer, even then I use them sporadically on the second monitor here.

You can quickly pop any window in and out of the Consolidated window. In all truth it acts just like Logic that way with its sub window and right side browser, event selections.

Again 90% of any confusion is not knowing the program. Honestly the issue is too many choices, Logic has plenty of selection windows that don’t go anywhere else but where they sit, i.e. the channel strip, information and preset browser is always on the left, certain browser functions always on the right etc.

DP should come with default working templates that you then customize to taste, but the ones it does come with are decades old!