FL Studio 21.1 released! - A disappointment in the making

[andypryce]

Hence, the "best piano roll ever" meme happened.

What I like over other DAWs about the piano roll is, you hear the changes before you let go of the mouse or before applying processes like strum,chop, arp etc. It is a time saver. Other than that I much prefer Studio One or Cubase or even Logic Piano Roll.

[jaydog4]

i love this daw fl that is, to each there own

[jaydog4]

FL Studio is a great "my first DAW" type of app, with some addictive sandbox-like "playability".

Yeah i dont agree with this guy at all ethier, have you been inside patcher?? lol

[Carbonboy]

Yeah i dont agree with this guy at all ethier, have you been inside patcher?? lol

Easier than the DAW. Just stringing stuff together with wires. What's hard?

Anyhow patcher isn't mandatory.

[Carbonboy]

The OP's expectations that his list of grievances should be addressed in the 21.1 release, and so everything not fixed is another nail in the coffin of the release, is just a little bit egocentric.

All valid wishes and wants. But demanding them done. Please check if you fixed the squeaky door like you wife asked you to yet before casting stones

This release added some very long awaited fixes and enhancements.

Piano roll scripting in particular means that every tool and personal request people may have there is now instantly possible. Check the forums, there are already 50+ scripts covering everything from chord progression tools to velocity based note selection.

[bonch]

FLS is extremely popular in the Rap&HipHop-Scene, which is almost completely absent here at KVR.

This is most certainly correct and I'm sorry to admit but so many of these "Beatmakers" as they call themselves are pretty inexperienced and make me take FL Studio less seriously. The DAW caters strongly towards EDM/Hip Hop guys and lets face it, those styles of music largely appease younger and inexperienced bedroom producers living at home.

I love the wisdom and expertise of film composers who've undoubtedly got decades of experience under their cap and use DAWs like Studio One/Logic etc. I'll take the film crowd way more seriously than I will the EDM/Hip Hop guys who're just edgy memer teeny boppers.

That may sound rude, I'm just saying that people who use Logic/Studio One generally seem to be older and a lot of the film score guys received a formal education or studied harmony/composition - As such, their creative works are much more mature. The "Beatmakers" and "Dubstep Kiddies" just reek of inexperience.

Snobs in the 50s used to talk this way about rock and electric guitars.

[Schnickschnack]

fuckin film score kiddies...

[Trancit]

FLS is extremely popular in the Rap&HipHop-Scene, which is almost completely absent here at KVR.

This is most certainly correct and I'm sorry to admit but so many of these "Beatmakers" as they call themselves are pretty inexperienced and make me take FL Studio less seriously. The DAW caters strongly towards EDM/Hip Hop guys and lets face it, those styles of music largely appease younger and inexperienced bedroom producers living at home.

I love the wisdom and expertise of film composers who've undoubtedly got decades of experience under their cap and use DAWs like Studio One/Logic etc. I'll take the film crowd way more seriously than I will the EDM/Hip Hop guys who're just edgy memer teeny boppers.

That may sound rude, I'm just saying that people who use Logic/Studio One generally seem to be older and a lot of the film score guys received a formal education or studied harmony/composition - As such, their creative works are much more mature. The "Beatmakers" and "Dubstep Kiddies" just reek of inexperience.

Snobs in the 50s used to talk this way about rock and electric guitars.

While he has a point somehow... I mean Rap/HipHop/Trap and all of these genres completely live from the Rappers part...
Musicalwise in terms of complexity there isn´t much to count... it´s as simple as it can get get with how many tracks? 10??? 15??
Hard to hit any limits of any software with such loops...
Compared to rock and pop music beatmaking is again at least 10 steps down in terms of required knowledge...
Nothing wrong with that and it´s very popular but it really overtakes the crown of simplicity and minimalism.

[jaydog4]

I'm not sure why everyone is shitting on FL :/

[Carbonboy]

I'm not sure why everyone is shitting on FL :/

They're not.

It's the boomers on KVR who don't like it.

The OP was confusing developing a DAW with his personal grievances list that some how is now timed to the release of 21.0

How this is relevant to anything is a mystery

"It has been 8 months since FL Studio 21 came out, and FL Studio 21.1 just released as of late. I cannot say I am pleased with the update"

Well, at least Benn Jordan was pleased. I am sure a few other people were also.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cv8n3AErL0p

[jaydog4]

I am veryy very pleased

[eerie_audio]

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It isn't like anything I've specified hasn't already been requested to death on the official forums, so why is it that it these requests keep being swept under the rug? The solution for FL Studio moving forward isn't necessarily to keep adding "new" things, it is to rework what has needed to be reworked for YEARS now.

FL Studio is very far behind in its current feature set. As a 10 year user I LOVE it to death, but man the devs really need to play catch-up so that FL Studio can righteously prove itself as a serious candidate and competitor to DAWs like Studio One, Cubase, Ableton etc... Recall that it took until FL Studio 21 just to have native fade in/outs on Audio Clips/Samples within the Playlist... Other DAWs had this for years.

This really needs addressed. IMHO FL Studio will not redeem itself as a professional Audio/MIDI environment until some of these features can be addressed. Look, I know you cannot fulfill the requests and desires of EVERYBODY but I think many of these requests are not ridiculous and self gratifying, that is to say that they would certainly benefit MANY other users. I 100% stand by what was said in the video that "FL Studio has the best Piano Roll of any other DAW" this is indisputably true, but when it comes to things like the Playlist, it feels like a children's toy...

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Anyways, I figured some of you could relate. It feels like we're making a snails pace of progress when it comes to any sort of continuity in the Playlist regarding FL Studio updates. I just don't ever really envision a day when we'll see progress. I wish I had started using another DAW from the get go and that FL Studio wasn't my native DAW, it is too much of a headache to try and get it to behave like a more linear DAW such as Ableton/Studio One/Cubase. Everyone seems so happy with FL 21 and I couldn't be more disappointed. It is just a gloried and ornamented toy. The Piano Roll is the only feature they're more or less gotten "right" (give or take a few gripes about it)

The easy answer is that the program was initially written in Delphi, which comes with it's limitations. I'm not sure how much of the code has been updated, but I'm pretty sure some of the shortcomings still persist.

You also have to take into account that they offer Life Time Free Updates, which again comes with it's shortcomings of not having financial incentive to release anything, if at all, on a timely schedule.

[Carbonboy]

You also have to take into account that they offer Life Time Free Updates, which again comes with it's shortcomings of not having financial incentive to release anything, if at all, on a timely schedule.

And yet, they release more updates than any other DAW I have seen. So what are you basing that on?

https://www.image-line.com/history/

[eerie_audio]

You also have to take into account that they offer Life Time Free Updates, which again comes with it's shortcomings of not having financial incentive to release anything, if at all, on a timely schedule.

And yet, they release more updates than any other DAW I have seen. So what are you basing that on?

https://www.image-line.com/history/

I'll take quality over quantity anytime. This then becomes subject, which everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Everyone has their own needs, wants and desires of their host system.

[runagate]

I thought you'd enjoy this "Piano Roll Scripting is a thing now" forum post over on Image Line:

https://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.php?t=307594

https://forum.image-line.com/viewforum.php?f=2008