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DCrown · Post by **DCrown** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:35 pm

Plugindiscounts offers Waves Platinum
for USD 75!!!
About 60 plugins will cover most of
the plugins you will ever need.
https://www.waves.com/bundles/platinum

https://plugindiscounts.com/product/platinum-native-2/

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:38 pm

I hate Waves but I'm tempted. What's the catch?

DCrown · Post by **DCrown** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:41 pm

chagzuki wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:38 pm I hate Waves but I'm tempted. What's the catch?

The catch might be that you will not use a lot of plugins you already have anymore, cuz most Waves plugins are easy to use with fast and great results and low on cpu.
For me no reason to hate Waves,
best customer service I have ever experienced, I needed their support twice someone even called me and solved the problem quickly. This was years ago when Waves Central caused some issues, never had issues again, though, never had to pay WUP, cuz everything still works fine after years

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:45 pm

DCrown wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:41 pm The catch might be that you will not use a lot of plugins you already have anymore, cuz most Waves plugins are easy to use with fast and great results and low on cpu.

I don't understand the Waves plan update policy, or whatever it's called. I get a bundle upgrade price based on owning a few plugins already, so does that mean that if I choose to 'upgrade', the plugins I already own but which aren't current will be updated? Gosh, that sentence is a little confusing due to upgrade and update sounding similar.

DCrown · Post by **DCrown** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:49 pm

chagzuki wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:45 pm
DCrown wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:41 pm The catch might be that you will not use a lot of plugins you already have anymore, cuz most Waves plugins are easy to use with fast and great results and low on cpu.
I don't understand the Waves plan update policy, or whatever it's called. I get a bundle upgrade price based on owning a few plugins already, so does that mean that if I choose to 'upgrade', the plugins I already own but which aren't current will be updated? Gosh, that sentence is a little confusing due to upgrade and update sounding similar.

Never upgraded or updated, because all plugins still work fine after many years, don't understand all that wup panic.
If you are an amateur producer, don't upgrade, if you are a professional producer, money shouldn't matter that much.
I mean, you get top plugins for way less than 2 USD each in a bundle and if you paid wup later, plugins still wouldn't be overpriced.
I can't say for sure, but I think wup upgrading a bundle is less than USD 5 per plugin?!
Imo only RBass, H-Delay, H-Comp, Linear Phase Comp, C4 Comp, RVox, MV2, puigtec eq, Vitaminand and IRL Reverb are worth a lot, lot, lot more than 75 USD.
Electric Grand 80 is fantastic, too and more...
I use 'em a lot

roman.i · Post by **roman.i** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:59 pm

It's $75 every year.

DCrown · Post by **DCrown** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:02 pm

roman.i wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:59 pm It's $75 every year.

It's not. I have Waves Horizon bundle and
paid a very discounted price, too and have been using it for many years.
There's generally an option for subscription, but don't know the prices

roman.i · Post by **roman.i** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:05 pm

If I have a plugin, I want the latest version of it and support.
So it's $75 every year for me.
It's not cheap, because many of these plugins are old crap.
Only few of them are still useful nowadays.

DCrown · Post by **DCrown** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:12 pm

I don't think Waves upgraded every year and Waves even didn't charge me when I once needed support after 2 years of my last purchase. In 10 years I needed support twice, well, not sure why one would need support every year and I don't know whether Waves offers it every year so cheap, but it doesn't matter. When you buy it, plugins usually work, so no need for upgrade or needing support. Waves Central issues were in the past only afaik, never issues with a plugin . If you want upgrade than just pay that little amount.
Imo about 80% of all plugins in the bundle are still better than most releases of other devs. I mentioned the advantages. If you don't think so, simply don't buy.
Plugins like RBass, RComp, RVox, Meta Flanger, H-Delay, MV2, Super Tap delay, Maxx Bass, Linear Phase Mulriband Compressor, Kramer HLS Channel are legends without any competition

roman.i · Post by **roman.i** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:20 pm

I'm on Mac and I don't want to stuck on some old unsupported OS because of wup, security or feature wise.
Not saying that Waves are bad, I have this bundle and many other plugin.
Because of wup and the recent subscription enforcement I don't think why I should use them anymore.
There are plenty of developers selling excellent plugins for $20-$30 on sale, without any of the hassle mentioned above.

DCrown · Post by **DCrown** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:24 pm

I hope you don't refer to pa plugins haha
I don't think pa comes even close to Waves, maybe with only a few exceptions.
I had pa subscription one year and still use two plugins only.
There's no subscription enforcement,
you know very well that Waves listened and reacted to the audio community and customers, one more example that shows what a great company Waves is.
I can not imagine to have even one project without Waves plugins. Never ever happened and I have lots of different plugins, Waves by far number one and indispensable for me

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:30 pm

Don't forget: you can only use Waves plugins on one computer unless you have an active WUP. So for the first year, I believe you're good. After that, if you want them on your laptop AND your desktop, you absolutely must pay or constantly be deactivating one to use it on the other.

Pass on them. Lots of great stuff out there from other devs.

They already tried to change their licensing to force subs. Who knows how long before they return to that idea.

DCrown · Post by **DCrown** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:37 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:30 pm Don't forget: you can only use Waves plugins on one computer unless you have an active WUP. So for the first year, I believe you're good. After that, if you want them on your laptop AND your desktop, you absolutely must pay or constantly be deactivating one to use it on the other.

Pass on them. Lots of great stuff out there from other devs.

They already tried to change their licensing to force subs. Who knows how long before they return to that idea.

Not sure whether your info is correct, but even if it is, just buy it twice.
150 USD for 60 plugins, less than 3 USD per plugin.
Most amateur producers use one computer, if you are professional with two computers, less than 3 USD per plugin is like for free!

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:52 pm

DCrown wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:37 pm
Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:30 pm Don't forget: you can only use Waves plugins on one computer unless you have an active WUP. So for the first year, I believe you're good. After that, if you want them on your laptop AND your desktop, you absolutely must pay or constantly be deactivating one to use it on the other.

Pass on them. Lots of great stuff out there from other devs.

They already tried to change their licensing to force subs. Who knows how long before they return to that idea.
Not sure whether your info is correct, but even if it is, just buy it twice.
150 USD for 60 plugins, less than 3 USD per plugin.
Most amateur producers use one computer, if you are professional with two computers, less than 3 USD per plugin is like for free!

Just buy it twice!

Then WUP every year!

For mediocre plugins from a sh*tty company! Only $3 per! Huge sale! Act fast!

...no thanks.

MFXxx · Post by **MFXxx** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:41 pm

I keep seeing posts regarding waves and the new setup. Whilst under WUP you get 2 licenses for perpetual licensing (subscription will get second license circa Oct 23 from a recent email as I understand). Once your WUP expires - the perpetual license continues to work its not a subscription. Although if you renew WUP yearly, arguably you are self subscribing and not necessary.

You do not have to use cloud. Ive got my waves (and some others) on a usb stick so simply take that with me to the laptop or when travelling etc.

WUP you only need imho when there's a signigificant update you want or need due to older system support, or new products features or plugins added to you bundle.

Had waves for over 10 years, wupped twice from memory and actually have some license crossovers as when I purchased some plugins the retailer merged it with a bundle deal and the old plugins automatically got WUP cover renewed in the transaction.
As far as out dated - they work and do the job. On a personal note, I find it rather amusing that people chase and talk about retro hardware - where as if softwares old its redundant, incompatible or useless. The Waves renaissance collection is still a standout - arguably can be replaced, they are fine.

Certainly on Windows machines this is not the case re compatibility. Ive got software running that I purchased 20 years ago and its fine - Camel Audio Alchemy, Waves (v8) on a machine in another country, even Rebirth which must be pre 2000 by now!

Waves Platinum This is crazy