All hail Cypher 2!

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Outside of VCV Rack, they remain the only synths with Andy from Cytomic's filters. He's an Fxpansion alumn.

[zvenx]

Yep... Synth Squad was his baby, but a lot of the algorithms were used in Strobe version 2 and Cypher version 2 as I recall.

Although interestingly I don't see his name in the Cypher 2 credits (don't see credits in the strobe manual)
rsp

[Echoes in the Attic]

Outside of VCV Rack, they remain the only synths with Andy from Cytomic's filters. He's an Fxpansion alumn.

And Ableton Synths/samplers. Did Alchemy not keep any when it moved to Logic?

[zvenx]

Serum also has some of his older work.
rsp

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Ok, then maybe the only ones I own.

[zvenx]

Ok, then maybe the only ones I own.

Lol. clearly you need to buy more
rsp

[Examigan]

Yep... Synth Squad was his baby, but a lot of the algorithms were used in Strobe version 2 and Cypher version 2 as I recall.

Although interestingly I don't see his name in the Cypher 2 credits (don't see credits in the strobe manual)
rsp

He's in the "Special Thanks" section, but it's not a specific credit like the others.

[zvenx]

Ahhh..Didn't read that far.

Wow I never read it..
I know someone on that list very very VERY well .. .from birth, daily too
rsp

[zerocrossing]

......

I’d say that not only can it compete, but it actually trounces pretty much all of its competition. If someone can show me an analog synthesizer emulation that’s as feature rich and good sounding, I’d love to know about it. .......

Feature wise I do agree with you.
But, and yes sound is personal, I do think a lot of the newer stuff (repro, tal j8, ob-e, twin3, softube models (in particular 72 and 80)) surpassed it in sound quality.

rsp

Well, other than Twin 3, which I don’t think sounds analog in any significant way, those are simple emulations without much in the way of features that are not on the originals. Great sounding, for sure, but super simple in comparison with Cypher II. Sometimes, maybe even most times, I’m using a simple synth because that’s what’s called for, but for those sounds I’m going to use a real hardware analog a lot of the time. What Cypher provides is a way to really stretch out and work with a synth that has the functionality of a digital synthesizer but with a good analog vibe too.

[andy-cytomic]

Outside of VCV Rack, they remain the only synths with Andy from Cytomic's filters. He's an Fxpansion alumn.

And Ableton Synths/samplers. Did Alchemy not keep any when it moved to Logic?

Not wanted to derail this Cypher 2 thread, but just wanted to clarify the above.

There are three main eras of filters I've done: Vellocet initial "low detail" explicit type filters (1990-2004 20+ years ago), FXpansion "medium detail" explicit ones (2004-2009 15+ years ago), and my current Cytomic "high detail" implicit filters (2009-present).

Implicit filters (eg Trapezoidal) solve more accurately the non-linear circuit equations iteratively to converge on an accurate solution of the current output's value in terms of itself as well as all the inputs / previous energy. Explicit filters (eg Forward Euler) use the previous outputs / previous energy to generate the current output, so are less accurate, and don't quite have the same "zing" at high cutoffs.

The Vellocet era filters are in some FXpansion stuff, and also in Serum, and are work I did around 20 years ago now. The FXpansion era filters added more non-linearities and detail and are in FXpansion stuff like Strobe / Cypher / Amber, and I'm really proud of the sounds of those synths for the cpu usage that was reasonable at the time. I was not involved in Strobe2 / Cypher2 but I believe the a lot of the guts of the osc / filters I did for v1 were updated for those, perhaps new bits added - Angus please feel free to fill in details here if you want.

The Cytomic filters in The Drop and VCV Rack modules (CF100 / A-124) are high detail (with medium detail as an option) so are my best work to date. The ones I licensed to Ableton for their devices are the medium and low detail (medium everywhere but now also more efficient lower detail for filter mode II in drift). There are no Cytomic filters in any other pieces of software / embedded hardware. If you want Cytomic filters in a synth right now you have to use Live or VCV Rack, but I will be doing some synths in the future.

Antti Huovilainen did some filters on contract to Camel Audio for Alchemy, but they broke when pushed high in freq / res / drive. Ben from Camel couldn't get a reply from Antti about fixing them, so he approached me for help. Both Ben and Antti are friends, so I decided to help out since Ben's product was kinda ruined without those filters working, and Antti helped me a lot getting into more detailed analog modelling. I got Antti's filters working without breaking, keeping the same sound as much as possible. So my filters are not in Alchemy anywhere, I just fixed Antti's filters, which are Explicit ones (eg Forward Euler), so nowhere near the level of the current Cytomic tech anyway.

[Uncle E]

Damnit, now I have to buy VCV Rack...

[zerocrossing]

Outside of VCV Rack, they remain the only synths with Andy from Cytomic's filters. He's an Fxpansion alumn.

And Ableton Synths/samplers. Did Alchemy not keep any when it moved to Logic?

Not wanted to derail this Cypher 2 thread, but just wanted to clarify the above.

There are three main eras of filters I've done: Vellocet initial "low detail" explicit type filters (1990-2004 20+ years ago), FXpansion "medium detail" explicit ones (2004-2009 15+ years ago), and my current Cytomic "high detail" implicit filters (2009-present).

Implicit filters (eg Trapezoidal) solve more accurately the non-linear circuit equations iteratively to converge on an accurate solution of the current output's value in terms of itself as well as all the inputs / previous energy. Explicit filters (eg Forward Euler) use the previous outputs / previous energy to generate the current output, so are less accurate, and don't quite have the same "zing" at high cutoffs.

The Vellocet era filters are in some FXpansion stuff, and also in Serum, and are work I did around 20 years ago now. The FXpansion era filters added more non-linearities and detail and are in FXpansion stuff like Strobe / Cypher / Amber, and I'm really proud of the sounds of those synths for the cpu usage that was reasonable at the time. I was not involved in Strobe2 / Cypher2 but I believe the a lot of the guts of the osc / filters I did for v1 were updated for those, perhaps new bits added - Angus please feel free to fill in details here if you want.

The Cytomic filters in The Drop and VCV Rack modules (CF100 / A-124) are high detail (with medium detail as an option) so are my best work to date. The ones I licensed to Ableton for their devices are the medium and low detail (medium everywhere but now also more efficient lower detail for filter mode II in drift). There are no Cytomic filters in any other pieces of software / embedded hardware. If you want Cytomic filters in a synth right now you have to use Live or VCV Rack, but I will be doing some synths in the future.

Antti Huovilainen did some filters on contract to Camel Audio for Alchemy, but they broke when pushed high in freq / res / drive. Ben from Camel couldn't get a reply from Antti about fixing them, so he approached me for help. Both Ben and Antti are friends, so I decided to help out since Ben's product was kinda ruined without those filters working, and Antti helped me a lot getting into more detailed analog modelling. I got Antti's filters working without breaking, keeping the same sound as much as possible. So my filters are not in Alchemy anywhere, I just fixed Antti's filters, which are Explicit ones (eg Forward Euler), so nowhere near the level of the current Cytomic tech anyway.

Well, kudos to you for those filters. I still feel they hold up really well, even among a lot of the newer models.

While you’re here, I thought I remember you mentioning that you were going to be developing a new synthesizer. Am I wrong about that?

[idoru97214]

Outside of VCV Rack, they remain the only synths with Andy from Cytomic's filters. He's an Fxpansion alumn.

And Ableton Synths/samplers. Did Alchemy not keep any when it moved to Logic?

Not wanted to derail this Cypher 2 thread, but just wanted to clarify the above.

There are three main eras of filters I've done: Vellocet initial "low detail" explicit type filters (1990-2004 20+ years ago), FXpansion "medium detail" explicit ones (2004-2009 15+ years ago), and my current Cytomic "high detail" implicit filters (2009-present).

Implicit filters (eg Trapezoidal) solve more accurately the non-linear circuit equations iteratively to converge on an accurate solution of the current output's value in terms of itself as well as all the inputs / previous energy. Explicit filters (eg Forward Euler) use the previous outputs / previous energy to generate the current output, so are less accurate, and don't quite have the same "zing" at high cutoffs.

The Vellocet era filters are in some FXpansion stuff, and also in Serum, and are work I did around 20 years ago now. The FXpansion era filters added more non-linearities and detail and are in FXpansion stuff like Strobe / Cypher / Amber, and I'm really proud of the sounds of those synths for the cpu usage that was reasonable at the time. I was not involved in Strobe2 / Cypher2 but I believe the a lot of the guts of the osc / filters I did for v1 were updated for those, perhaps new bits added - Angus please feel free to fill in details here if you want.

The Cytomic filters in The Drop and VCV Rack modules (CF100 / A-124) are high detail (with medium detail as an option) so are my best work to date. The ones I licensed to Ableton for their devices are the medium and low detail (medium everywhere but now also more efficient lower detail for filter mode II in drift). There are no Cytomic filters in any other pieces of software / embedded hardware. If you want Cytomic filters in a synth right now you have to use Live or VCV Rack, but I will be doing some synths in the future.

Antti Huovilainen did some filters on contract to Camel Audio for Alchemy, but they broke when pushed high in freq / res / drive. Ben from Camel couldn't get a reply from Antti about fixing them, so he approached me for help. Both Ben and Antti are friends, so I decided to help out since Ben's product was kinda ruined without those filters working, and Antti helped me a lot getting into more detailed analog modelling. I got Antti's filters working without breaking, keeping the same sound as much as possible. So my filters are not in Alchemy anywhere, I just fixed Antti's filters, which are Explicit ones (eg Forward Euler), so nowhere near the level of the current Cytomic tech anyway.

Well, kudos to you for those filters. I still feel they hold up really well, even among a lot of the newer models.

While you’re here, I thought I remember you mentioning that you were going to be developing a new synthesizer. Am I wrong about that?

SERUM 2!!!!!!!!!!!

[andy-cytomic]

Well, kudos to you for those filters. I still feel they hold up really well, even among a lot of the newer models.

While you’re here, I thought I remember you mentioning that you were going to be developing a new synthesizer. Am I wrong about that?

Yes, I do plan on doing multiple synths in the future, I haven't decided on the exact form they will take, but most likely some sort of semi-modular audio rate thing without all the spaghetti and some more straight-forward and limited synth that has dedicated knobs for everything to keep things more focussed and randomisable with decent results. Please head over to viewtopic.php?t=512525 to discuss further if you have questions to keep this on topic for Cypher 2.

[andy-cytomic]

SERUM 2!!!!!!!!!!!

Please send on through your requests to Steve if you'd like me involved with Serum 2, perhaps if enough of his customers ask he may consider it.