Roland Cloud

[Frankie.T]

@Jon at Roland
I discovered your products thanks to a friend that have a subs to your products. I really liked the sound of your stuff, although i decided to not spend any money into services/products that require an online authorization.

Is it possible to buy a plugin with a key file that doesn't require any online/server connection? Something like U-he and Serum, just to name few.
If is not possible right now, is possible for you to take this solution into consideration?

Thanks

I am not Jon but they have showed no interest in Changing their Copy protection method except for changing it from 7 days to 30 days so your only option is to reauthorize every 30 days if you buy a lifetime key.

Thanks for your reply. I hope they will change their mind, i'm not interested to buy something i don't really own (since i need them to authorize something i bought)

[D-Fusion]

@Jon at Roland
I discovered your products thanks to a friend that have a subs to your products. I really liked the sound of your stuff, although i decided to not spend any money into services/products that require an online authorization.

Is it possible to buy a plugin with a key file that doesn't require any online/server connection? Something like U-he and Serum, just to name few.
If is not possible right now, is possible for you to take this solution into consideration?

Thanks

I am not Jon but they have showed no interest in Changing their Copy protection method except for changing it from 7 days to 30 days so your only option is to reauthorize every 30 days if you buy a lifetime key.

Thanks for your reply. I hope they will change their mind, i'm not interested to buy something i don't really own (since i need them to authorize something i bought)

I have been hoping for the same for years now and we are still here with the same copy protection and many have asked for a change and the only Change they did was giving us 30 days instead of 7 which was very annoying having to do it once a week for a few years.

If you buy a lifetime key it should be a 1 time authorization affair specially since they don't allow Resale of your Roland Plugins so as soon as you buy one it's yours forever.

[Jon at Roland]

Does anyone remember whether last December's P4L extended into the new year? I probably won't have the funds this year but on 1st Jan 2024 it's a new financial year for me.

Hi ChamomileShark, we usually run this promotion around the holidays. Nothing is confirmed yet for this Fall/Winters Play 4 Life. Stay tuned!

Hi Jon,

a few weeks ago I happened to see a series of posts complaining that the arpeggiator speed knob had been removed in Jupiter 8 version 2 - I think they are somewhere buried in this thread. I did some tests before updating the plugin, because I didn't want to lose such a vital feature, and found out that while indeed the knob in question had been removed from the GUI, the same knob in version 1 of J8 and in Juno60 did not seem to have any actual effect on the arpeggiator speed at all, See my post:

viewtopic.php?p=8715972#p8715972

So my question is: can you confirm that the knob that was supposed to control the arpeggiator speed was non-functional and has been removed?

If so, can I turn this into a (reasonably) urgent feature request to have a fully working control for the arpeggiator speed back into Jupiter 8 and Juno60? The original hardware obviously had it, the Jupiter/Juno-inspired plugins by the competition all have it, it's kind of baffling that in the official recreation of these two legendary synths, the arpeggiators are stuck at master tempo.

Regards,

--
Marco

Hey vulpes777! I started to look into this for you and I will be sure get back to you via private message when I have an answer. I apologize I missed the question before. Always appreciate the feedback.

Hi Jon,

I've looked a lot at Roland Cloud products, I've tried them twice, but somehow they were not convincing, at least some years ago.

Please communicate to the planner / dev team that the software should NOT follow the original hardware limitations and should rather use the capabilities of modern processors. For example, Korg has released the Korg Prophecy plug-in as a 64 polyphonic, which was originally a monophonic instrument.

I don't mean structural/engine improvements of these legacy products, but certainly
* increasing polyphony
* and at least keeping original multitimbral capabilities.

For example, I was close to buy the Roland Cloud subscription because I wanted the XV 5080 rompler. Then I realized by the PDF manual that the layering capabilities of the Performance mode is missing. E.g. in Korg Triton / Extreme VST, the same Combi mode is perfectly implemented.

Hi Tripleflows. I'll be sure to pass this along to our team! Our Legendary Instruments offer an opportunity to experience near perfect reproductions of classic Roland synths. With all of our Legendary Instruments, there are a few liberties taken when it comes to working with modern technology. But for me, I love that I have the limitations and idiosyncrasies found in the originals to play around with. If you are looking for some alternate versions of our Legendary Instruments you can always try our model expansions for ZENOLOGY Pro. For example the SH-101 becomes a polyphonic synth.

We are always looking for ways to update and change our Legendary instruments in tasteful ways and I think what you suggested would be very cool. Thanks for the feedback.

@Jon at Roland
I discovered your products thanks to a friend that have a subs to your products. I really liked the sound of your stuff, although i decided to not spend any money into services/products that require an online authorization.

Is it possible to buy a plugin with a key file that doesn't require any online/server connection? Something like U-he and Serum, just to name few.
If is not possible right now, is possible for you to take this solution into consideration?

Thanks

Hey Frankie T. Great question! Roland Cloud is a cloud service and requires authorization. This authorization system insures free lifetime updates (these come in handy, for example, with our most recent round of updates for our Legendary Instruments). Authorization also allows installation for up to five devices, and the ability to access current “Test Drive” promotions of instruments and patch collections.

As mentioned we changed our Authorization system to allow authorization only once a month. But once you buy a Lifetime Key it is yours for life. I'll be sure to make a note of this for you in our weekly feature request list. Thanks again!

[Frankie.T]

Thank you Jon for your reply

I understand where "the world" is atm with SAAS and stuff. But there is people like me who like to buy and 100% own a software. So download the installer and the key/sn from website, then install it without any needs to phone home or make any kind of request/needs to a server connection to work, bust just installer and key. This is what i mean for "mine for life" otherwise it's "mine till you change your mind/terms"

I really appreciate if you can bring this position to your feature request. It may be also helpful to note how so many software companies run with no issue with this system, such FabFilter, Melda, U-He, even FL Studio (probably the most used daw) till few months ago and ofc many others.

[Septic Underground]

So when is the total insane initialisation time of Zenology Pro gonna get fixed, FFS!!!!

It is totally unacceptable to wait for 30sec+ till I can use it after inserted, my templated are freaking taking less time to load than this single plugin!!!!

I guess it is due to the large packs of presets that were added as expansion (for money that is) and not as embedded presets in the plugin. These are DRM protected I think. So each of the presetpacks must be validated. Imagine being Roland depending on scraps for presets,,,zzzz

Thanks Roland, redesigning the future™ (mega lulz)

[Soundsauca]

I think the time you reference is probably a result of Zen loading all the samples of all the expansions along with the base waveforms.

Is this ideal? Not really, but I think it’s an outcome of the way Roland develops their products.

Of course I could be wrong

[vulpes777]

Thank you Jon, hopefully you'll be able to shed some light on this.

Regards,

--
Marco

[Jon at Roland]

So when is the total insane initialisation time of Zenology Pro gonna get fixed, FFS!!!!

It is totally unacceptable to wait for 30sec+ till I can use it after inserted, my templated are freaking taking less time to load than this single plugin!!!!

I guess it is due to the large packs of presets that were added as expansion (for money that is) and not as embedded presets in the plugin. These are DRM protected I think. So each of the presetpacks must be validated. Imagine being Roland depending on scraps for presets,,,zzzz

Thanks Roland, redesigning the future™ (mega lulz)

Hey Septic! With my current set up, I didn't experience any issues with initializing ZENOLOGY Pro.

If you're still experiencing this issue after updating your OS, Roland Cloud Manager, DAW and restarting your machine, we always appreciate when you report these issues to customer support. I'll make a note of them for you as well. Thanks!

[ChamomileShark]

I decided to test the Roland claim that the JV and XV were different emulations under the hood.

I took 2 presets that I could find on all threee plugins (the JD doesn't have all the presets that the XV/Zenology EXV have although both it has all the same waveforms.

So this are two Roland Cloud presets, I think it was Arisian Dawn and JP1 strings, first on JV1080 then XV5080 then Zenology EXV. Reverb was removed for clarity and the audio was all normalled to the same level.

https://soundcloud.com/chamomile-shark/ ... n-zenology

Sorry I managed to cut off the final Zenology play.

Here is a hardware comparisons of the hardware JV vs XV I on You tube (not mine). (

[planetearth]

I decided to test the Roland claim that the JV and XV were different emulations under the hood.

I took 2 presets that I could find on all threee plugins (the JD doesn't have all the presets that the XV/Zenology EXV have although both it has all the same waveforms.

So this are two Roland Cloud presets, I think it was Arisian Dawn and JP1 strings, first on JV1080 then XV5080 then Zenology EXV. Reverb was removed for clarity and the audio was all normalled to the same level.

https://soundcloud.com/chamomile-shark/ ... n-zenology

Sorry I managed to cut off the final Zenology play.

Here is a hardware comparisons of the hardware JV vs XV I on You tube (not mine). (

Were these played from the same MIDI data, to ensure velocity and aftertouch (or anything else) was the same?

Steve

[Examigan]

There was info about some of the differences on this page:
viewtopic.php?t=475542&start=3090

[ChamomileShark]

I decided to test the Roland claim that the JV and XV were different emulations under the hood.

I took 2 presets that I could find on all threee plugins (the JD doesn't have all the presets that the XV/Zenology EXV have although both it has all the same waveforms.

So this are two Roland Cloud presets, I think it was Arisian Dawn and JP1 strings, first on JV1080 then XV5080 then Zenology EXV. Reverb was removed for clarity and the audio was all normalled to the same level.

https://soundcloud.com/chamomile-shark/ ... n-zenology

Sorry I managed to cut off the final Zenology play.

Here is a hardware comparisons of the hardware JV vs XV I on You tube (not mine). (

Were these played from the same MIDI data, to ensure velocity and aftertouch (or anything else) was the same?

Steve

Yes. Can you tell the difference?

[ChamomileShark]

There was info about some of the differences on this page:
viewtopic.php?t=475542&start=3090

Yes, I'd read that. I'm talking about what Jon from Roland said

"The biggest difference is the meticulous recreation of the design of each unit. If you wanted the experience of owning a JV-1080 or XV-5080 then you can! It's up to your personal preference"

That implied they should sound different as the hardware units sound different.

[zvenx]

I assume he means in the user experience/navigation/menus etc.
Afaik the Roland Cloud ones use the same samples, whereas the hardwares didn't.. .from memory the jv1080 used 32khz data and the 5080 either used 44.1 or 48khz, can't remember which (I actually have an email still from the one and only EP when he was still at Roland, telling me the difference), so I do expect the hardware jv 1080 to have less top end which may make it sound warmer/darker.

Just checked the email it was 32 khz vs 44.1 and the sound engines are different.
He also at the time called it the greatest synth Roland had ever made .. Interesting.

rsp

[planetearth]

I decided to test the Roland claim that the JV and XV were different emulations under the hood.

I took 2 presets that I could find on all threee plugins (the JD doesn't have all the presets that the XV/Zenology EXV have although both it has all the same waveforms.

So this are two Roland Cloud presets, I think it was Arisian Dawn and JP1 strings, first on JV1080 then XV5080 then Zenology EXV. Reverb was removed for clarity and the audio was all normalled to the same level.

https://soundcloud.com/chamomile-shark/ ... n-zenology

Sorry I managed to cut off the final Zenology play.

Here is a hardware comparisons of the hardware JV vs XV I on You tube (not mine). (

Were these played from the same MIDI data, to ensure velocity and aftertouch (or anything else) was the same?

Steve

Yes. Can you tell the difference?

I can certainly hear a difference, at least in the overall envelopes. I wouldn't pretend to know which is which in an A/B test, though.

Still, if the JV-1080 was supposed to use 32 kHz samples and the XV-5080 was supposed to use 44.1 kHz (among other internal compression and output DAC differences), it's disappointing to know the JV-1080 is basically an XV-5080 under the hood—especially for those of us who wanted the actual JV-1080 sound. I've read in a few places what the differences in the hardware units were, including from people who've backed up their claims with actual proof of the differences.

Steve