FL Studio over Reaper?

[MadDogE134]

I own a healthy medium business

like séances? i have a few i would like to contact

(perception is a funny thing)

cheers

[Frankie.T]

https://www.reddit.com/r/trapproduction ... y_account/

Maybe this guy would now appreciate the ability to own something he payed for

but they say he broke the eula.
whether this is true, we don't know one way or the other.

so maybe, he's no longer entitled to use it? or are you saying that shouldn't matter?

We can't know, and ofc that matters.

Mistakes can happens from both parts. It may be a mistake from the user, but if it's a mistake isn't malicious and i think he deserve something as customer. But may also be a mistake from their system, and he is just unable to use what he paid for and have no way to fight his rights or demostrate his "innocence".

Why should i buy something and have the need to demostrate my innocence for something i've bought?

I don't think a malicious man would buy an original copy than give their accounts to other peoples, then go on reddit because of that. If he is malicious what's the point for all of that?

An hacker would just download the demo and crack it, while an illecit user will just download a cracked version.

The only possible "malicious" things the user may have done is to give his account to one friend, that probably they may have split the expense. But considering the way everything works, i don't understand how is possible for their system to know if 2 copy doesn't belong to the same user on different pc (this is allowed by IL).


So everything can happen, and we will never know. Anyway if i have to bet a cent, i don't see much reason from someone to buy a copy, then complain after few days online, if he made something wrong at the level to alarm IL systems, even if he shared his copy with a friend, i don't think it would get banned for that since it's not possible for a server to know the owner of different pc's.

The point is, now it's him, tomorrow may hit people who never cared about that stuff. What whould you then? Going online to find someone else that will say it's your fault?

[vurt]

they can't tell who owns a computer, but they can detect, if two copies are used simultaneously.
this would break the eula.

of course, it could be down to installing and checking them on each computer, rather than actually using them, but he needs to speak to support. they are the only people who can help, not us, not reddit.

[Frankie.T]

I don't think it's too weird to have FL on a desktop and a laptop, and there may be reasons to run both simultaneusly, that doesn't needs their approval since in that case a guy doesn't makes anything illegal.

If something break the eula (that nobody reads) i think a warning may be nice to have before being banned from something you have just bought

[vurt]

then id suggest not clicking "ive read and agree to the terms and conditions".

if you read the eula, while it's ok to have the licence on multiple computers, usually not ok to use two at once, this requires second licenses.

ive not read fls as i don't use it.

[liquidsound]

I own a healthy medium business

like séances? i have a few i would like to contact

(perception is a funny thing)

cheers

Nah, those on the other side, don’t pay their bills!

[sjm]

The IP/location of the machines that were activated is definitely monitored, so if one is in Malawi and one is in Afghanistan, that will definitely raise suspicions, especially if those activations are within quick succession. That also means: beware of using VPNs when activating your DRM-locked software.

[liquidsound]

beware of using VPNs when activating your DRM-locked software.

[Frankie.T]

The IP/location of the machines that were activated is definitely monitored, so if one is in Malawi and one is in Afghanistan, that will definitely raise suspicions, especially if those activations are within quick succession. That also means: beware of using VPNs when activating your DRM-locked software.

So you cannot use something you bought (a vpn) because of something you bought too?

So the legit users must pay attention on all this stuff, while people who used cracked software can do whatever they want.

Do you think this is an healthy way to do business?

Do you think is right for someone who pay for services/software to not being able to use them without breaking any rule and law?

[sjm]

Do you think this is an healthy way to do business?

Do you think is right for someone who pay for services/software to not being able to use them without breaking any rule and law?

You are asking the wrong person. Don't shoot the messenger.

[liquidsound]

The IP/location of the machines that were activated is definitely monitored, so if one is in Malawi and one is in Afghanistan, that will definitely raise suspicions, especially if those activations are within quick succession. That also means: beware of using VPNs when activating your DRM-locked software.

So you cannot use something you bought (a vpn) because of something you bought too?

So the legit users must pay attention on all this stuff, while people who used cracked software can do whatever they want.

Do you think this is an healthy way to do business?

Do you think is right for someone who pay for services/software to not being able to use them without breaking any rule and law?

Why would you want to break rules and laws?

[Frankie.T]

Do you think this is an healthy way to do business?

Do you think is right for someone who pay for services/software to not being able to use them without breaking any rule and law?

You are asking the wrong person. Don't shoot the messenger.

No worries i'm just sharing my thoughts

The IP/location of the machines that were activated is definitely monitored, so if one is in Malawi and one is in Afghanistan, that will definitely raise suspicions, especially if those activations are within quick succession. That also means: beware of using VPNs when activating your DRM-locked software.

So you cannot use something you bought (a vpn) because of something you bought too?

So the legit users must pay attention on all this stuff, while people who used cracked software can do whatever they want.

Do you think this is an healthy way to do business?

Do you think is right for someone who pay for services/software to not being able to use them without breaking any rule and law?

Why would you want to break rules and laws?

I misswrote my thoughts, let me rephrase it.

If a customer buy 2 products, where there isn't any law neither eula that deny to use them together. But if one of them, like a vpn, give a different IP, and makes the check of the other one suspicious, isn't fair to be locked out your own purchase, just because of a guess.
You didn't brake any rule neither law using a vpn and a daw you bought, but you may treated like a thief being locked out your own purchase.

While someone who use cracked software doesn't have this issue. Do we really want to push better experience to cracked software?

I don't think it's smart, and i think there are different related issue, other people already wrote better than me.

Companies goes where money goes, if majority of people doesn't like it they goes back (like Waves few months ago).

I think the way of thinking "I never had a problem, so i don't understand you" it's a blind way to think, cause you don't have a problem till you have, but then you cannot do anything, cause that's how it works now.


This discussion maybe went too far, so i think i'll end here, but i'd like you to think about it, maybe next time you make some purchase, don't put into consideration just some fancy UI or the fake discounts many devs use to sell more (inflated regular prices that almost never happen), but maybe also vote with your money for something that is more user friendly.

[vurt]

that's part of the issue with lifetime free updates, past customers don't matter. leaving for another host, has no effect at all.

at least with paid upgrades, they do have to keep everyone happy not just new users.

[liquidsound]

Do you think this is an healthy way to do business?

Do you think is right for someone who pay for services/software to not being able to use them without breaking any rule and law?

You are asking the wrong person. Don't shoot the messenger.

No worries i'm just sharing my thoughts

The IP/location of the machines that were activated is definitely monitored, so if one is in Malawi and one is in Afghanistan, that will definitely raise suspicions, especially if those activations are within quick succession. That also means: beware of using VPNs when activating your DRM-locked software.

So you cannot use something you bought (a vpn) because of something you bought too?

So the legit users must pay attention on all this stuff, while people who used cracked software can do whatever they want.

Do you think this is an healthy way to do business?

Do you think is right for someone who pay for services/software to not being able to use them without breaking any rule and law?

Why would you want to break rules and laws?

I misswrote my thoughts, let me rephrase it.

If a customer buy 2 products, where there isn't any law neither eula that deny to use them together. But if one of them, like a vpn, give a different IP, and makes the check of the other one suspicious, isn't fair to be locked out your own purchase, just because of a guess.
You didn't brake any rule neither law using a vpn and a daw you bought, but you may treated like a thief being locked out your own purchase.

While someone who use cracked software doesn't have this issue. Do we really want to push better experience to cracked software?

I don't think it's smart, and i think there are different related issue, other people already wrote better than me.

Companies goes where money goes, if majority of people doesn't like it they goes back (like Waves few months ago).

I think the way of thinking "I never had a problem, so i don't understand you" it's a blind way to think, cause you don't have a problem till you have, but then you cannot do anything, cause that's how it works now.


This discussion maybe went too far, so i think i'll end here, but i'd like you to think about it, maybe next time you make some purchase, don't put into consideration just some fancy UI or the fake discounts many devs use to sell more (inflated regular prices that almost never happen), but maybe also vote with your money for something that is more user friendly.

A warning should definitely be issued before the punishment.
But with a warning the chain reaction starts….
Communications, proof, facts… and “disclosure of the methods used for collecting such a data” etc.

Hard to figure out the perfect system….

[liquidsound]

that's part of the issue with lifetime free updates, past customers don't matter. leaving for another host, has no effect at all.

at least with paid upgrades, they do have to keep everyone happy not just new users.

How you keep people happy by paid upgrade?