Available now: Tone2 Gladiator4 - Harmonic Content Morphing synthesizer

[bmanic]

2) It is not supported by our products to modulate matrix targets that are modulated by matrix targets that are modulated by matrix sources.
I do not see how this should make sense in sound design and noone has asked for somthing like this in the last 20 years. I've also never come across a patch in a synth that uses such a setup.

Are you serious?

Example:

Matrix1: LFO Modulating pitch
Matrix2: Envelope modulating Matrix 1
Matrix3: Modwheel modulating Matrix 2

That would be a really common synthesis technique. There are tons of others. My Hydrasynth is full of presets with this combo and many others. I have made literally HUNDREDS of presets for Apple and their Alchemy 2 synth where I have very commonly either aftertouch or modwheel attached last in a series of 3 mod matrix chains.

My Kurzweil K2000 is full of these series of 3 chains.. and this thing is from the early 90's.

It is _very_ common to have an envelope modulating an LFO, and then have this amount controlled by something else.. usually modwheel/aftertouch.


The problem is that you have decided to NOT include any kind of depth/amount control for most envelopes and LFOs. This means the user is forced to go through the mod matrix one extra time to do a very simple modulation, like an envelope adjusting the speed of an envelope. And due to, what I assumed must have been a bug, the limitation you just mentioned above tons of extremely simple synthesis techniques are not applicable in your otherwise pretty complex and capable synthesizer.

Man.. this really puts a huge negative on your synths. And here I was thinking it's a bug.


EDIT: One common routing for various lead sounds (or crappy trumpet/horn emulation) is LFO -> Pitch ; Envelope -> LFO Speed ; Velocity -> Envelope amount. I just did this on the Korg Triton.

You can't do this in Gladiator, not even by using the Filter Envelope because the velocity sensitivity doesn't apply when it goes through the Matrix.

[Markus Krause]

I am out here. I am fed up with kvr for a while. All that whining here really sucks.
And my life is too short for this.
If you need something you can refer to our official support channels.
If you don't like it don't buy it or build your own synth.

Bye

[Aloysius]

Bye

[bmanic]

Guess he is a bit sensitive eh? Oh well, good to know that it wasn't a bug rather a big disadvantage of Tone2 synthesizers.

Unfortunately there's not even a workaround for this in any of Tone2 synths. None of them seem to have depth controls for either the envelope nor LFOs. So really simple things that you want to assign modwheel or after touch to doesn't work.

This is actually really rare. I'm having a hard time finding other synths that can't do basic 3 layer modulation (Modwheel -> ENV depth -> LFO). Heck even my analogue synth can do it.

[EnGee]

I personally begin to use Bitwig more and more because I find it much easier to manage the complex chains of modulation with its modulators.

[Xbucket]

Running away when there is some critique is a sad reaction... personally I miss a lot of modulation options in the tone 2 synths too, as well as more fx slots. I think a synth should give you lots of ways to modulate parameters. I never get it why you should restrict things; even the Arturia hardware clones offer more modulation parameters than the actual hardware synths which in my sense is what makes a software synth worth it. maybe Markus considers to work on this but to be honest, im not sure, its more like he does something he'd like to have and we can eat it or not. This can be fine, but developers who listen to their customers will be ahead.

[zerocrossing]

I am out here. I am fed up with kvr for a while. All that whining here really sucks.
And my life is too short for this.
If you need something you can refer to our official support channels.
If you don't like it don't buy it or build your own synth.

Bye

I didn’t see anyone whining, just polite requests for reasonable features. Nothing totally out of left field. Fairly common, and things that I honestly think would improve your instruments and increase your customer base. I own almost all your instruments, and I do love them, but I’d suggest maybe having someone else be the public face of Tone2 if this type of discourse is too much for you.

[Korg Supporter]

When I emailed Markus about the lack of poly aftertouch in Gladiator, he replied that it doesn't have it because no one else requested it. Tbf, Icarus does have overlap with Gladiator, and Gladiator's wavetable export feature is awesome (apart from the wavetable volume needing to be maximized in the editor)!

[zerocrossing]

When I emailed Markus about the lack of poly aftertouch in Gladiator, he replied that it doesn't have it because no one else requested it. Tbf, Icarus does have overlap with Gladiator, and Gladiator's wavetable export feature is awesome (apart from the wavetable volume needing to be maximized in the editor)!

That’s funny, because I requested polyphonic aftertouch for Icarus and he did put it in, and I was really grateful. If Gladiator 4 doesn’t have it, I’ll stick with 3. It’s become part of my minimum spec for what I expect from a synthesizer.

[Markus Krause]

To make it clear. I will not longer moderate kvr because of the posts above.
It's the technical restrictions and a sum of mostly negative experiences that I experienced in the recent years.


It's these reasons:

- We don't have an official support forum on kvr

- It's extremely time consuming to moderate here. This time is seriously missing for development

- Quite a few people are penetrating and quickly get aggressive. There is often a very rude way of communication here. These people would never behave like this in the real world.

- Ongoing harassment with always the same feature requests by always the same (few) people

- kvr is crowd with many sound-designers. The very special demands of this small group is not representative for those who fund the products (music producers)

- Bugs are not sent to the official place on our website with the relevant and necessary info included. This makes it difficult to handle here

- It frequently happens that people don't read the manual and got no clue how the product works. Then post a 'bug report' in the public forum instead of first reading and learning how to use the product

- Many people seem to think a developer is their private footman and must develop just for their own special demands for free. Then they get very aggressive and start trolling if you tell them 'no I won't do this'

- Quite a few people seem to think they got the right to treat developers like shit

- All that is not good for my health situation


In the future you will have to use our official support channels if you need something. These are:

Updates: https://www.tone2.com/download.html
Email: support[a t]tone2[do t]com
Website: https://www.tone2.com/faq.html
Forum: https://www.tone2.org/forum/
Video tutorials: https://www.tone2.com/video-tutorials.html
Manuals: https://www.tone2.com/manual.html
Installation: https://www.tone2.com/product-installation.html
Bug reporting: https://www.tone2.com/report-a-bug.html


Thank you for your understanding,
Markus

[Aloysius]

I was going to try and talk you around but maybe you're right. You're not abandoning your customers. We can use the proper links you provided. Thanks ...