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vertibration · Post by **vertibration** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 3:51 pm

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... rig-7-pro/

The upgrade price is a real burn to users who expected more amps for guitar rig 6 lmao

loungepanda · Post by **loungepanda** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 3:59 pm

So that's where all the new modules went.

vertibration · Post by **vertibration** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:08 pm

Devs = "We should update guitar rig 6 with new modules", Corporate overlords = "Oh hell nah"

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:15 pm

Cash grab.

I get the feeling it makes sense to phase out NI & Izotope. PA was my alternative to Waves, but I think Softube & UA make more sense.

Saukar30 · Post by **Saukar30** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:40 pm

I'm confused by the comments here. Aren't there 4 new ICM Amps included in v7? Why are you guys saying there are no new amps?

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:41 pm

$99 seems high when I just upgraded to Komplete Ultimate, but development time costs money. I think Guitar Rig 6 has an interesting sound, but I honestly don’t use it that often. For my purposes, Amplitube 5 is a lot better. For $50 it would be a no-brainer, but the truth is, none of the new models are all that interesting and I already have more than one could ever need. I’m going to pass on this one.

electro · Post by **electro** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:44 pm

zerocrossing wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:41 pm For my purposes, Amplitube 5 is a lot better. For $50 it would be a no-brainer, but the truth is, none of the new models are all that interesting and I already have more than one could ever need. I’m going to pass on this one.

Competing with ToneX isn't going to be easy. What AMPS did they get right? Looks like a 65 Twin is in there.

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:55 pm

Saukar30 wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:40 pm I'm confused by the comments here. Aren't there 4 new ICM Amps included in v7? Why are you guys saying there are no new amps?

When 6 was announced, it was explained that there would be more ICM additions.
https://blog.native-instruments.com/the-making-of-icm/

GUITAR RIG 6 PRO is out now with three brand new amps that have been modeled using ICM, but rather than that being the conclusion of the project, it’s merely the beginning of a new run of high quality emulations.

But… Instead they’re now in GR7

There are some nice features, but hard to see the value in something that looks like an annual cash grab.

Zipede · Post by **Zipede** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:04 pm

Saukar30 wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:40 pm I'm confused by the comments here. Aren't there 4 new ICM Amps included in v7? Why are you guys saying there are no new amps?

With GR6 N.I. introduced their new ICM amp modelling technology (it does sound quite good), but there were only 2 or 3 amps included with it at the time. They said they would be releasing free updates with new ICM amps to GR6 owners. That was 3 years ago, and we have had 2 ICM amps added in that time, I doubt I would have upgraded to GR6 had I know this at the time.

I get that there have been problems with covid and Ukraine war, but I don't think it's an excuse to short change existing customers. It's a loss of trust for me.

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:05 pm

elxsound wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:15 pm PA was my alternative to Waves, but I think Softube & UA make more sense.

Why do you need UAD when you have the full monty SOFTUBE?
Asking for a friend...

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:09 pm

electro wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:44 pm
zerocrossing wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:41 pm For my purposes, Amplitube 5 is a lot better. For $50 it would be a no-brainer, but the truth is, none of the new models are all that interesting and I already have more than one could ever need. I’m going to pass on this one.
Competing with ToneX isn't going to be easy. What AMPS did they get right? Looks like a 65 Twin is in there.

I don’t really care if Guitar Rig gets it “right,” as long as it’s interesting. I look to GR because it’s got a unique sound and lots of interesting options. Like you, I have accuracy covered.

I appreciate them adding more variety, but the upgrade price is the same for someone who owns Guitar Rig 6 as it is for someone who has Komplete Ultimate. That seems off. I probably would have done the upgrade without thinking if it was $50, but I’ll pass on it for now. Not because I don’t think it’s worth it, but because it’s not worth it to me.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:11 pm

Zipede wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:04 pm
Saukar30 wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:40 pm I'm confused by the comments here. Aren't there 4 new ICM Amps included in v7? Why are you guys saying there are no new amps?
With GR6 N.I. introduced their new ICM amp modelling technology (it does sound quite good), but there were only 2 or 3 amps included with it at the time. They said they would be releasing free updates with new ICM amps to GR6 owners. That was 3 years ago, and we have had 2 ICM amps added in that time, I doubt I would have upgraded to GR6 had I know this at the time.

I get that there have been problems with covid and Ukraine war, but I don't think it's an excuse to short change existing customers. It's a loss of trust for me.

Two amps and a fuzz pedal. Some companies charge you as much as $100 for a single model, and you got 3 for free. I’m unclear on why people feel that they are entitled to free models forever.

vertibration · Post by **vertibration** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:20 pm

zerocrossing wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:11 pm
Zipede wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:04 pm
Saukar30 wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:40 pm I'm confused by the comments here. Aren't there 4 new ICM Amps included in v7? Why are you guys saying there are no new amps?
With GR6 N.I. introduced their new ICM amp modelling technology (it does sound quite good), but there were only 2 or 3 amps included with it at the time. They said they would be releasing free updates with new ICM amps to GR6 owners. That was 3 years ago, and we have had 2 ICM amps added in that time, I doubt I would have upgraded to GR6 had I know this at the time.

I get that there have been problems with covid and Ukraine war, but I don't think it's an excuse to short change existing customers. It's a loss of trust for me.
Two amps and a fuzz pedal. Some companies charge you as much as $100 for a single model, and you got 3 for free. I’m unclear on why people feel that they are entitled to free models forever.

U hiding under a rock? It was NI that stated to their customers that they would be providing additional models for GR6 and never did

Zipede · Post by **Zipede** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:24 pm

zerocrossing wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:11 pm
Zipede wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:04 pm
Saukar30 wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:40 pm I'm confused by the comments here. Aren't there 4 new ICM Amps included in v7? Why are you guys saying there are no new amps?
With GR6 N.I. introduced their new ICM amp modelling technology (it does sound quite good), but there were only 2 or 3 amps included with it at the time. They said they would be releasing free updates with new ICM amps to GR6 owners. That was 3 years ago, and we have had 2 ICM amps added in that time, I doubt I would have upgraded to GR6 had I know this at the time.

I get that there have been problems with covid and Ukraine war, but I don't think it's an excuse to short change existing customers. It's a loss of trust for me.
Two amps and a fuzz pedal. Some companies charge you as much as $100 for a single model, and you got 3 for free. I’m unclear on why people feel that they are entitled to free models forever.

Maybe because 2 amps and a fuzz box is a bit light considering the advertising they used at release of GR6 3 years ago.

"The future

GUITAR RIG 6 PRO is out now with three brand new amps that have been modeled using ICM, but rather than that being the conclusion of the project, it’s merely the beginning of a new run of high quality emulations.

“Since we don’t have to do all the calculating and tweaking ourselves, we can be measuring other amps and circuits while the neural network does its thing,” Fabian points out. “This means we can have so many more amps in the pipeline than we did before, which is the really exciting thing for users of GUITAR RIG 6 PRO.”"

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:32 pm

zerocrossing wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:11 pm
Zipede wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:04 pm
Saukar30 wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:40 pm I'm confused by the comments here. Aren't there 4 new ICM Amps included in v7? Why are you guys saying there are no new amps?
With GR6 N.I. introduced their new ICM amp modelling technology (it does sound quite good), but there were only 2 or 3 amps included with it at the time. They said they would be releasing free updates with new ICM amps to GR6 owners. That was 3 years ago, and we have had 2 ICM amps added in that time, I doubt I would have upgraded to GR6 had I know this at the time.

I get that there have been problems with covid and Ukraine war, but I don't think it's an excuse to short change existing customers. It's a loss of trust for me.
Two amps and a fuzz pedal. Some companies charge you as much as $100 for a single model, and you got 3 for free. I’m unclear on why people feel that they are entitled to free models forever.

Might as well hear it from yet one more… NI said it themselves, more would come and then… well, we all know the rest.

It’s not entitlement if the developer set the expectation and didn’t deliver.

Guitar Rig 7