Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[DCrown]

It would be great if one could select kick drums or snares or whatever of any drum kit in Avenger of any xp.
The only way to change a snare within a drum kit is importing a sample, Avenger has no sample folder of its drum kits, though.

[oneway]

Playing any Arp patch will crash the M1 Komplete Kontrol in Logic Pro.

open a new empty song
add Komplete Kontrol
add VPS Avenger within NI Komplete Kontrol
choose an Arp patch, such as Synthwave II > AR BronBoy
play a note

This causes the host to report an incompatibility and shut down.

Sigh... this bug was reported to them internally a year or so ago.. it does it on intel mac too..
I thought surely they would have fixed it by now.
rsp

Keilwerth got back to me. Apparently it will be fixed in the next version. It was a “hotfix” that seems to have gotten caught up waiting for a bigger update to finish.

[zvenx]

Ahh. So it was vengeance who had to fix it. Cool.
rsp

[DCrown]

20 pages to go before release of V2!
1000 pages = V2?

[Stan Navi]

I hope we are not far from V2.

[Chipi]

I hope we are not far from V2.

12 weeks from today, DEC. 24th

[Chipi]

I hope we are not far from V2.

16 weeks or so, from today, DEC. 24th

[oneway]

I'd suggest not running avenger inside of komplete kontrol. Avenger runs badly enough on mac anyway, so adding in the komplete kontrol vst wrapper adds another 30% CPU strain which causes crashes etc. Sorry I can't offer any better news.

This suggestion lingered with me a little so I tested it in a current song. Using an instrument inside of Komplete Kontrol only seems to require an extra 3-4% of an individual thread. If you're having CPU issues with Avenger, Komplete Kontrol won't hurt or help.

I agree that they never got it working well on the 2013-2019 Mac Pro Xeon CPUs, but then again they never claimed to have developed/tested it for Xeons. I've compared patches that were big problems on my Mac Pro 6,1 Xeon to my Mac Studio M1 Ultra and it runs them significantly better. Same goes for Kilohearts Phase Plant and other modular synths. Whatever Keilwerth is doing now works well on Apple Silicon as far as I can tell.

[Hanz Meyzer]

Really curious to see Avenger 2. Just rewatched the videos. Feature wise, it looks extremely impressive, even if not used as a workhorse, but as a creative source for genrating samples. Would be great, if performance issues were addressed, too, imagine, what a useful synth it would be.

Found one definitive cause for cpu spikes: The pitch module seems to increase the usage significantly, as long as it changes the pitch. Add a pitch-in to the sound, and activate/deactivate it to compare. This on a VA shape. What is strange here that the transpose and finetune knobs do not seem to introduce such usage... So why is it a different algorithm, couldn't the pitch module internally mapped to that transpose/finetune logic?

Still the initial, very short but huge spike on voice start is there. This one sums up, as soon as you use multiple osc and/or sound layers in the synth. And additionally sums up, if you use multiple instances in the arrangement and have the notes quantized, so all the oscs spike at exactly the same moment, which quickly causes audio drop outs, even on very fast cpus. Since this seems to be an architectual issue. An example preset is ARP / AR Dark Bassline. The spike here is almost double the size of the average load of the preset. It seems to be caused be the instanciation of the osc itself. Couldn't this be fixed by pre-calculating/pre-allocating some stuff? Or getting rid of those calculations and using different realtime algorithms instead? I wonder how other developers prevent this...

Last but not least, each 3 months revalidating is a bit annoying, maybe could be set to 6?

[Jac459]

Found one definitive cause for cpu spikes: The pitch module seems to increase the usage significantly, as long as it changes the pitch. Add a pitch-in to the sound, and activate/deactivate it to compare. This on a VA shape. What is strange here that the transpose and finetune knobs do not seem to introduce such usage... So why is it a different algorithm, couldn't the pitch module internally mapped to that transpose/finetune logic?

Very interesting find. Maybe you can send that to their support? (They are often reading here though).

[msvs]

Introducing the highly-anticipated Volume 3 of our Avengers' Hip Hop expansion series! This release is bigger and better than ever, taking your music production to new heights. New to Volume 3 are full vocal hooks, featuring lyrics by the talented Clevathoughts, Fabien Myles and Keybeaux adding a dynamic element to your compositions. But that's not all – we've packed this expansion with an array of fresh beats suitable for hip hop, rap, drill, trap, and all other modern styles. You'll find an extensive collection of authentic chilling arps and sequences, each designed to set the mood and complement your own vocals or beats. And that's just the beginning: We've also included fully playable bells, synths, pads, and textures to give your music an even more unique and captivating edge. Whether you're an experienced hip hop producer or just starting out, this is the ultimate toolkit you can't afford to miss.



Attention: VPS Avenger version 1.8.6 minimum required!

this expansion adds to your library:

134 Avenger presets 24 new drumkits
24 new drum sequences 13 new granular samples
124 new multisamples 21 new osc-shapes
10 new wavetables 14 new multiloops/vocals

[Stan Navi]

What has been highly anticipated is the release of Avenger 2.

[msvs]

I know, but this is not finished yet

[100tifiko]

Manuel you did an amazing job with this one I just purchased it and I love this expansion full of inspiration making you want to make music all night thank you for your passion on doing this expansion

Introducing the highly-anticipated Volume 3 of our Avengers' Hip Hop expansion series! This release is bigger and better than ever, taking your music production to new heights. New to Volume 3 are full vocal hooks, featuring lyrics by the talented Clevathoughts, Fabien Myles and Keybeaux adding a dynamic element to your compositions. But that's not all – we've packed this expansion with an array of fresh beats suitable for hip hop, rap, drill, trap, and all other modern styles. You'll find an extensive collection of authentic chilling arps and sequences, each designed to set the mood and complement your own vocals or beats. And that's just the beginning: We've also included fully playable bells, synths, pads, and textures to give your music an even more unique and captivating edge. Whether you're an experienced hip hop producer or just starting out, this is the ultimate toolkit you can't afford to miss.



Attention: VPS Avenger version 1.8.6 minimum required!

this expansion adds to your library:

134 Avenger presets 24 new drumkits
24 new drum sequences 13 new granular samples
124 new multisamples 21 new osc-shapes
10 new wavetables 14 new multiloops/vocals

[vulpes777]

For those who might be interested: the "Pick 5 expansions" bundle is 50% off on Plugin Boutique; ends tomorrow.

Regards,

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Marco