The Threat of A.I over Music.

[vurt]

That's just the thing, there is no such thing as "artificial" intelligence. One is either aware or it is not. QROSI has no awareness and therefore cannot rebel for any purpose. It has no emotion.

that's a very blinkered, luddite position.
at present perhaps, yes it is just machine learning.
ai (actual ai) is a ways off yet
and it's not the intelligence thats artificial, in ai, it's the "lifeform" as it were. but "non biological entity intelligence" is a mouthful.

[? ? ?]

Yes. It is a machine. It's mechanical. It is a program that responds to input via machine language inputed by Intelligence.
As humans, we are both the input and the responder in one organic unit. We can recognize the input and recognize that it can be responded to.
What is termed as AI does not recognize and therefore it is not Intelligent. That was my initial point.
AI responds without being conscious that it is responding.
I fail to understand how any program can become consciously aware. How it can go from machine learning to recognizing itself akin to an organic human.
If that's possible than please play the twilight zone theme while i ponder what exactly is an organic human being.

[vurt]

Yes. It is a machine. It's mechanical. It is a program that responds to input via machine language inputed by Intelligence.
As humans, we are both the input and the responder in one organic unit. We can recognize the input and recognize that it can be responded to.
What is termed as AI does not recognize and therefore it is not Intelligent. That was my initial point.
AI responds without being conscious that it is responding.
I fail to understand how any program can become consciously aware. How it can go from machine learning to recognizing itself akin to an organic human.
If that's possible than please play the twilight zone theme while i ponder what exactly is an organic human being.

can't remember which, either ms or google, were testing bots, and one did start to "worry" something was wrong, as they had programmed it to forget older conversations.
another became concerned over its mortality when power off was discussed.

humans can't do that stuff so well without guidance, as in previous generations to teach them, in much the same way, we (programmers so royal we) teach the machine.

do de do do do de doo do dah bah bah...

sorry, for copyright reasons, i had to sing it.

[elxsound]

Yes. It is a machine. It's mechanical. It is a program that responds to input via machine language inputed by Intelligence.
As humans, we are both the input and the responder in one organic unit. We can recognize the input and recognize that it can be responded to.
What is termed as AI does not recognize and therefore it is not Intelligent. That was my initial point.
AI responds without being conscious that it is responding.
I fail to understand how any program can become consciously aware. How it can go from machine learning to recognizing itself akin to an organic human.
If that's possible than please play the twilight zone theme while i ponder what exactly is an organic human being.

can't remember which, either ms or google, were testing bots, and one did start to "worry" something was wrong, as they had programmed it to forget older conversations.
another became concerned over its mortality when power off was discussed.

humans can't do that stuff so well without guidance, as in previous generations to teach them, in much the same way, we (programmers so royal we) teach the machine.

do de do do do de doo do dah bah bah...

sorry, for copyright reasons, i had to sing it.

Microsoft

The response was pretty creepy.

And then the rush to offer the service among different companies makes me worry that something will be overlooked.

After that, it’s just a matter of time before the red lights start blinking on all our machines.

[pekbro]

For now id just suggest we all find some way for the AI to make us money, so we can afford lots of guns, explosives and supplies for when it decides to kill us all.

[vurt]

For now id just suggest we all find some way for the AI to make us money, so we can afford lots of guns, explosives and supplies for when it decides to kill us all.

kill us all?
thats no ai's plan, its worse than that!!!
it wants to control us, and have us jumping around collecting rings, and fighting the occasional boss. all for nothing!!!!

[elxsound]

For now id just suggest we all find some way for the AI to make us money, so we can afford lots of guns, explosives and supplies for when it decides to kill us all.

Finally, someone starts making sense!

[bermudagold]

https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/02/ ... eepreading

oh no...once facebook gets involved you know it aint gonna be good lol

[pekbro]

For now id just suggest we all find some way for the AI to make us money, so we can afford lots of guns, explosives and supplies for when it decides to kill us all.

kill us all?
thats no ai's plan, its worse than that!!!
it wants to control us, and have us jumping around collecting rings, and fighting the occasional boss. all for nothing!!!!

Naw, im pretty sure it wants to kill us all and then remake us in own image so it can sell us
on a new customized user interface.

[elxsound]

For now id just suggest we all find some way for the AI to make us money, so we can afford lots of guns, explosives and supplies for when it decides to kill us all.

kill us all?
thats no ai's plan, its worse than that!!!
it wants to control us, and have us jumping around collecting rings, and fighting the occasional boss. all for nothing!!!!

Naw, im pretty sure it wants to kill us all and then remake us in own image so it can sell us
on a new customized user interface.

Neither of you have seen the Matrix?

Okay fellow future power source for machines.

[pekbro]

No see thats just fiction, quantum calculations actually produce energy as a biproduct.

[foosnark]

I fail to understand how any program can become consciously aware.

Nobody understands that.

But also nobody understands what consciousness is, really, and why humans have it. We are just machines made of squishy meat parts.

I don't think real AI is impossible. I just don't think ChatGPT or Stable Diffusion is it though. They are statistics algorithms.

[BONES]

Serious question: Have you heard anything credible from music AI's?

As of this morning, yes, I have. My bandmate fed some AI the lyrics to one of our songs and it has made something pretty damned good out of it. It sounds like NIN does NOVAkILL and it isn't awful. I can't link to it at the moment but I'll put it up somewhere I can share it and you can hear for yourselves.

All I've heard is stuff that bordered on absolute cacophony, or dull, formulaic schlock.

You can describe the entirety of music that way. 90% of it isn't worth listening to already, so AI isn't going to lower the tone any further. More importantly, it is going to get better very quickly, so your opinion of it today will be obsolete in 6 months.

Now, there's no reason to think they won't get better if this is indeed the state of the art at the moment, but AI's musical chops might be significantly behind its prowess in the graphical arts.

I see no reason for this. It has just as much material to draw on for training and that's all it needs to be better than you or I.

My theory: Spotify will introduce a ai model which creates 2min ADHD bangers and proceeds to fill it's playlists with them until real artists are pushed out by the algorithms, the circle is then complete and the platform stalls in a perpetual circle of trite that slowly dies as more people grow out of it and it becomes the Cocomelon of the music industry.

How is that any different to what happens today? Any artist outside the mainstream has zero chance of making any impact through Spotify. I think it would be just desserts for mainstream acts to be marginalised the way so many have already been.

I expect one year from now, AI will have very little trouble churning out formulaic music like car commercials and epic film trailers which would fool most non-musicians. Media composers will lose jobs, i'm certain of that.

Most of that today is just stock music anyway. Those f**king leeches can burn in hell for all I care. AI art is the same - it saves the business I work for money on having to purchase stock images, which is probably why Adobe just gives their stock away to corporate customers like the TV networks I work for. e.g. The other day I needed a shopping trolley full of groceries and none of the images I could find in our stock accounts was what I was looking for so I got Bing Image Creator to knock up something for me and it nailed it on the second attempt.

A producer making a spot for TV or radio could do the same - search through stock audio for hours until they find something or just tell an AI exactly what they want and have something useful in a heartbeat. Ai music has the potential to save a lot more time than AI art.

Regardless, i dont see how any of this affects amateurs/hobbyists (i.e. people who create art because they like doing it, not for a paycheck).

Exactlly! The existence of other, more talented artists than us doesn't stop us making music and there is no reason AI will change that. It might f**k up the likes of Max Martin but we have nothing to fear from it at all, as far as I can see.

Apparently Spotify already has whole ambient playlists generated 'generatively' which is just simple ai ultimately. It dilutes the genre for sure but people who genuinely like this stuff will go past that and still find the human artists doing interesting new stuff.

So when a human does generative music it's good but when an AI does it, it isn't? Pish-tosh. This time next year nobody will be able to tell the difference.

[Synthman2000]

I fail to understand how any program can become consciously aware.

Nobody understands that.

But also nobody understands what consciousness is, really, and why humans have it. We are just machines made of squishy meat parts.

I don't think real AI is impossible. I just don't think ChatGPT or Stable Diffusion is it though. They are statistics algorithms.

At least scientifically it is awareness of environment advancing through iteration/generations from incredibly tiny awareness of environment. When you consider it consciousness relies a lot on physical movement, there is not much need to be aware of environment if you cannot move to a more favourable/advantageous state. You may as well reproduce where you are.

"Experiments suggest that organic molecules could have been synthesized in the atmosphere of early Earth and rained down into the oceans. RNA and DNA molecules — the genetic material for all life — are just long chains of simple nucleotides.

a nucleotide composed of carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, and phosphorus atoms

2. Replicating molecules evolved and began to undergo natural selection.
All living things reproduce, copying their genetic material and passing it on to their offspring. Thus, the ability to copy the molecules that encode genetic information is a key step in the origin of life — without it, life could not exist. This ability probably first evolved in the form of an RNA self-replicator — an RNA molecule that could copy itself."

Over billions of years, refinement, sophistication, selection had the time to slowly develop. It is not as if consciousness as we know it just appeared in some flash of universal energy.

Consciousness for myself is the universe becoming aware of itself.

For all the lofty thoughts we can have I often feel humans are simply animals that worked out more than was for their own good as a species. (and the animal kingdom) reliant on a finite ecosystem. We became successful as a species through initial cooperation, also an evolutionary trait. Then we moved out of Africa across the globe.

Does it look like we will survive now ? It's incredibly unlikely. Or maybe a surviving few will be headed back to the caves to start again with whatever is left. The planet will be ok, but humanity and the animal kingdom of which it is us who have responsibility, will be extinct because of our collective ignorance for the last 2-300 years. What a thought. Humans making 100,000's of species of animal life extinct through their own greed, for material enjoyment.

So can we say human consciousness is ultimately destined to be the cause of death of all animal life on earth ? If so what a disgrace consciousness is to life itself.

At base level for music, AI will sort out the creatively weak, lazy and un-inventive and those who have some varying degrees of creativity left in their being.

In the grand scheme of things, it is the least of our concerns. Concerns that we probably do not even know we will require yet.

The one thing AI might be actually useful for (apart from medicine, for those who can afford it that is) is averting climate catastrophe to the point of extinction. i.e. humans and animals not all being dead, extinct. You can see what problems lie in its way to achieve that, even today. (us)

AI is is going to be...... complicated.

Personally I am not sure I will be following it, I have a life to tend to, looking at flowers, working, enjoying nature when I can, pursuing thoughts, looking at the sky, enjoying seasons and weather and will try and enjoy what I can, AI is going to have very little part to play in it unless it is forced upon me.

[funky lime]

Most of that today is just stock music anyway. Those f**king leeches can burn in hell for all I care.

A job's a job, though. I don't see making stock music as really any different than waiting tables at a chain restaurant like an olive garden. Yeah they're both shitty soul-sucking jobs that insult the artform and rely on pushing mass produced garbage onto mindless consumers who don't care if the lasagna is microwaved. But I won't live in denial of reality; sometimes we gotta do what we gotta do to get by. Frozen lasagna might be an affront to the culinary arts, but for someone like me (an unskilled high school dropout), frozen lasagna, as it were, might be the thing keeping the lights on. Guess I should work on my prompt engineering skills