Choice of speakers with possibility of a subwoofer

[Trancer]

I would like to have your opinion on this delicate choice.

I have a room of 10 m2,

I hesitate between different configurations including one with a subwoofer.

Setup 1

Focal Evo 80 or Shape 65 or Alpha Evo Twin or Shape Twin

Setup 2

Focal Evo 80 or Shape 65 or Alpha Evo Twin or Shape Twin with a subwoofer

Either

Focal Sub One or KRK S10G4 or Adam T10S

Regarding the Subwoofers which is the best, question of bass rendering, reliability?

Very important, I would like to have a very good bass reproduction.

I compose Trance, Trance Uplifting and Melodic Techno.

If you have any other suggestions, please feel free.

Thank you in advance for your answers and opinions.

[Lind0n]

You care about bass? Get a sub-woofer - and get your room measured/treated. If you go the Adam I'd go Adams all round - I still really like my Adams after nearly 10 years with them..

[Trancer]

Thank you very much for your answer.

I intend to do what is necessary for the acoustics of my room, a priority even.

Adam very good indeed.

Which model do you recommend?

As speakers and as a subwoofer?

Why not Focals?

Better the Adams for what reasons?

[Atlatnesiti]

I use Yamaha HS-7 without Sub, but all HS series can hook up to Yamaha HS8S Sub.
https://au.yamaha.com/en/products/proau ... index.html

[BertKoor]

I have a room of 10 m2

That's 2 x 5m or roughly 3 x 3m which imho is not so big. I doubt whether it's big enough to really enjoy a subwoofer.

Low frequencies have a long wave length. Ideally you can fit multiple waves within the room. With the speed of sound being ca 300m/s the length of 3m corresponds to a frequency of 100Hz for the full wave and 50Hz for a halve wave. Standing waves will have that frequency (and/or multiples of it)

I have only one advice: try before you buy.

[Trancer]

Thank you very much for your responses and opinions.

Regarding the Yamaha h8s, aren't they inferior to the Focal Shape 65?

Really difficult to make the right decision.

The Adam T7V and T8V are entry-level, so not sure that the quality and sound reproduction are equivalent to, for example, the A7V.

Just like with Focal, not sure that the Evo series is as good quality as the Shape series.

Regarding the use of a subwoofer, there are so many different opinions that the confusion is even greater.

Adam T series or A series?

Focal Evo series or Shape series?

Focal shape 65 or Shape Twin?

Focal evo 80 or evo Twin?

Regarding the box, an option to consider at some point

[cryophonik]

I've never owned Focals or Adams, so I can't comment. However, I also have a small-ish room/office converted into a studio. I went with a pair of the smaller Genelec 8020Ds and 7040a subwoofer and it's perfect for my room. I'd highly recommend them, but I obviously can't say how they compare to Focals or Adams.

[Trancer]

Thanks a lot for your answer.

It seemed to me that a 4 and 5 inch woofer were rather light for bass reproduction.

Now the subwoofer certainly brings this deficiency?

[roman.i]

audio interface?
acoustics?

[BertKoor]

It seemed to me that a 4 and 5 inch woofer were rather light for bass reproduction.

Now the subwoofer certainly brings this deficiency?

Have you ever read tech specs of stuff? Look at the frequency response:

4": 70 Hz - 20.000 Hz
5": 65 Hz - 20.000 Hz
6.5": 55 Hz - 20.000 Hz
8": 45 Hz - 20.000 Hz
10": 30 Hz - 20.000 Hz
Sub: 20 Hz - 200 Hz

(numbers here are rough estimates by me)

[FJ5]

Thanks a lot for your answer.

It seemed to me that a 4 and 5 inch woofer were rather light for bass reproduction.

Now the subwoofer certainly brings this deficiency?

I have Adam T5Vs with T10S sub. Great combo, very happy. Small-ish room too, not acoustically treated. T10S footswitch allows sub to be bypassed for comparison. I looked at T7Vs instead of T5V + T10S combo - found T7Vs a bit 'boomy'. Store recommendation was the T5V & sub.

[Trancer]

Thank you very much for your answers and feedback.

Thank you also for the frequency feedback.

The t5v and Sub T10S duo really seems to be the most suitable for this type of room.

I hesitate with T7V, but certainly more reasonable indeed to take the T5V.

[chk071]

(numbers here are rough estimates by me)

Some 5" go as low as 43 Hz, at least according to their technical specs. Of course, the question is how much there is down there, really.

I listened to some Drum & bass on my 5" speakers some time ago, and, there definitely was some stuff missing in the sub bass region.

On my JBL LSR305's, the cut is pretty hard at about 40 to 45 Hz (like the specs indicate).

[bmanic]

You never mentioned your budget but if you have enough money, I would highly recommend the latest Genelec series + the smallest subwoofer from them. Or just get the biggest Genelec "The One" series and forget about the sub.

The advantage of the Genelec system is that the built in speaker EQ system (+ phase and delay correction) makes them extremely good in any kinds of spaces. In my experience they are the best monitors money can buy in an untreated or difficult room.

The main negative is that they cost a lot of money. On the positive side, they keep their value extremely well on the used market.. meaning you could sell the whole system 10 years later and loose very little money. The negative again is that even on the used market, they are expensive!

Reliability is second to none when it comes to Genelec speakers. I've owned quite a few pairs of them over the decades and worked in a multitude of studios that have them and I've _never_, not even once, heard about a pair failing.. which is not something I can say about other brands.

[bmanic]

.. but in this day and age, if it's mainly for mixing, I wouldn't bother spending thousands on speakers. Just get Slate VSX headphone system and you are immediately competitive with virtually anybody in the market (including 1 000 000$+ studios).