FL Studio 21.1 released! - A disappointment in the making

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This thread is just beginners griping. Open the manual

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vertibration wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:23 pm This thread is just beginners griping. Open the manual
Ah yes. An easy way to dismiss any discussion or criticism. "Newbs".
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Teksonik wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:39 pm
chk071 wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:55 pm Cubase isn't a disaster. Studio One isn't a catastrophy. FL Studio isn't a "disappointment".
To you.
No. To anyone. If those DAWs are an utter disaster or catastrophe, then YOU are the problem, not the software.

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chk071 wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:06 pm
Teksonik wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:39 pm
chk071 wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:55 pm Cubase isn't a disaster. Studio One isn't a catastrophy. FL Studio isn't a "disappointment".
To you.
No. To anyone. If those DAWs are an utter disaster or catastrophe, then YOU are the problem, not the software.
Again you're the one who wrote that not anyone else. You're just making things up to bolster your incredibly weak complaint.

Keep in mind that everyone works differently. As an example, some people have been begging for more mixer tracks in FL Studio for many years.

I don't need anywhere near the amount already provided but if someone else does then they're going to consider that a disappointment when they run out.

The fact that I can't copy/paste/delete MW, PB, and AT data like I can in every other DAW I own without jumping through silly hoops to accomplish that simple task is a disappointment to me. So much so that I've had to use other DAWs. That's not my fault that's a limitation in the software.

If someone thinks FL Studio is a "disaster in the making" to them then it is whether that triggers you or not.

I just find it ironic that you've made a career of complaining about stuff at KVR and then get triggered because someone else complained about something.

Is "disaster in the making" a bit of hyperbole? Perhaps but if the OP really feels that way then they have a right to express that opinion here and you don't have a right to call for censorship just because you're triggered.

Are you getting the point now? If not just move on.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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apoclypse wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:52 pm
vertibration wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:23 pm This thread is just beginners griping. Open the manual
Ah yes. An easy way to dismiss any discussion or criticism. "Newbs".
Exactly right. The time spent crying, could be better spent learning

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vertibration wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:51 pm
apoclypse wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:52 pm
vertibration wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:23 pm This thread is just beginners griping. Open the manual
Ah yes. An easy way to dismiss any discussion or criticism. "Newbs".
Exactly right. The time spent crying, could be better spent learning
By that logic, the time crying about other people crying could be better spent learning too but here you are.
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apoclypse wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:13 pm
vertibration wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:51 pm
apoclypse wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:52 pm
vertibration wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:23 pm This thread is just beginners griping. Open the manual
Ah yes. An easy way to dismiss any discussion or criticism. "Newbs".
Exactly right. The time spent crying, could be better spent learning
By that logic, the time crying about other people crying could be better spent learning too but here you are.
I already learned, all knowing, so I got free time brutha.

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apoclypse wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:12 pm This "fix" doesn't actually work. I tried it and the issue is still there. Did you try it on your end at all?
So precisely under what conditions do you have audio issues and what are the problems? Describe them.

I have a Mac M2 and don't notice any issues with the audio editing projects.

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Carbonboy wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 4:38 am
apoclypse wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:12 pm This "fix" doesn't actually work. I tried it and the issue is still there. Did you try it on your end at all?
So precisely under what conditions do you have audio issues and what are the problems? Describe them.

I have a Mac M2 and don't notice any issues with the audio editing projects.
Create a pattern in FLStudio, open piano roll. That's it. When you open or click the piano roll button the audio engine will hitch or dropout. It's reproducible and happens all the time. Also I never said it was an "issue", I said it makes the app feel janky as most modern DAWs don't hitch every time you open the piano roll. It's not an issue because it's not really an impediment to using the app, just annoying. There are other instances of it happening when interacting with the UI, but the Piano Roll is the easiest to reproduce.
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Teksonik wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:27 pmGol was a video game designer and it shows in his work. His complete lack of understanding of all things MIDI...
That what made using FL to make music fun in the first place wasn't it? He understood pretty well what MIDI was but also that it was decades old and chose to not follow it.
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apoclypse wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:13 pm
vertibration wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:51 pm
apoclypse wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:52 pm
vertibration wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:23 pm This thread is just beginners griping. Open the manual
Ah yes. An easy way to dismiss any discussion or criticism. "Newbs".
Exactly right. The time spent crying, could be better spent learning
By that logic, the time crying about other people crying could be better spent learning too but here you are.
Only if you don't know everything already. :clown:

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sQeetz wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:40 pm
Teksonik wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:27 pmGol was a video game designer and it shows in his work. His complete lack of understanding of all things MIDI...
That what made using FL to make music fun in the first place wasn't it? He understood pretty well what MIDI was but also that it was decades old and chose to not follow it.
If you have a complete lack of understanding of all things MIDI, you'll surely not be able to program a DAW.

FL Studio (or Fruity Loops, as it was called back then) was pretty much the first DAW software I tried, back in the early 2000's. It was nice and easy, because it had another approach than other software. I must admit that, like Reason, the more feature laden it became, the less I liked it. Guess the "easy" approach only works if you stick with easy.

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chk071 wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:53 pm
sQeetz wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:40 pm
Teksonik wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:27 pmGol was a video game designer and it shows in his work. His complete lack of understanding of all things MIDI...
That what made using FL to make music fun in the first place wasn't it? He understood pretty well what MIDI was but also that it was decades old and chose to not follow it.
If you have a complete lack of understanding of all things MIDI, you'll surely not be able to program a DAW.
It's not rocket science. IIRC he knew pretty well what everything was but chose to do it different internally. Still communicating via MIDI to the outside, but within FL everything got interpreted the way he saw fit
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apoclypse wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 3:14 pm Create a pattern in FLStudio, open piano roll. That's it. When you open or click the piano roll button the audio engine will hitch or dropout. It's reproducible and happens all the time. Also I never said it was an "issue", I said it makes the app feel janky as most modern DAWs don't hitch every time you open the piano roll. It's not an issue because it's not really an impediment to using the app, just annoying. There are other instances of it happening when interacting with the UI, but the Piano Roll is the easiest to reproduce.
This sounds like it might be a graphic driver thing, it is a bit odd that it only shows up in FL Studio and nowhere else, but if you're getting this type of thing, where interacting with the UI results in sound glitches, it's often a dodgy graphics driver.

I'd try to get hold of the latest driver and see if that helps.

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sQeetz wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:40 pm
Teksonik wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:27 pmGol was a video game designer and it shows in his work. His complete lack of understanding of all things MIDI...
That what made using FL to make music fun in the first place wasn't it? He understood pretty well what MIDI was but also that it was decades old and chose to not follow it.
Music notation is many centuries old and we still use it because it works

MIDI has been the accepted protocol since 1981.... because it works. So much so that we're now on MIDI 2.0: "MIDI 2.0 is an extension of MIDI 1.0. It does not replace MIDI 1.0 but builds on the core principles, architecture, and semantics of MIDI 1.0".

Just because some guy who had done nothing but a pornographic video game didn't understand that fact is not a positive thing for FL Studio.

Making music is already fun but using a poorly designed DAW is not...... :wink:
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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