Where is Cubase 12.5 or 13? [Update: It's here C13 is released!]

[noiseboyuk]

Nothing in the feature list that seems very useful to me - GUI I don't much care one way or the other.

Cubase 12 hasn't been very stable for me, and the performance isn't good even with ASIO Guard (still only about half as efficient as VE Pro or Reaper). That's overwhelmingly my biggest disappointment - no sign of any progress on the audio engine.

[D-Fusion]

Nothing in the feature list that seems very useful to me - GUI I don't much care one way or the other.

Cubase 12 hasn't been very stable for me, and the performance isn't good even with ASIO Guard (still only about half as efficient as VE Pro or Reaper). That's overwhelmingly my biggest disappointment - no sign of any progress on the audio engine.

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[PAK]

2 other sleepers are DDMF Metaplugin and Superplugin. The great thing about both of those it they let you run any plugin in with oversampling.

Never had much success while testing both DDMF plugins. For some reason, they refused to work correctly in my Windows 11 computer with Cubase 12.

You're not alone in that. Blue Cat's solution didn't fair much better here either. Though it obviously depends a lot on the plugins hosted, and results will vary hugely based on that.

But I don't consider any of the "host in a host" stuff (I've tried.. ) to be stable enough to use as anything more than a temporary work-around - at least with Cubase. YMMV.

[VitaminD]

2 other sleepers are DDMF Metaplugin and Superplugin. The great thing about both of those it they let you run any plugin in with oversampling.

Never had much success while testing both DDMF plugins. For some reason, they refused to work correctly in my Windows 11 computer with Cubase 12. However, Kushview Element is the one I'd recommend at this point. It's currently being actively developed again after some months of pause, and it also features oversampling.

I had an issue with recalling of settings using DDMF IIEQPro in Cubase many years ago. It's the only plugin I've ever seen do that. The developer worked with me briefly to try a different build or two but could never solve the issue and eventually just stopped helping.

I moved on to Fabfilter ProQ and, in the years since then, have never had such an issue with it. Or really any other VST in Cubase.

[PAK]

Cubase 12 hasn't been very stable for me, and the performance isn't good even with ASIO Guard (still only about half as efficient as VE Pro or Reaper). That's overwhelmingly my biggest disappointment - no sign of any progress on the audio engine.

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Short of a small miracle I doubt the situation will improve for hardware other than newer configurations Steinberg are directly testing on. (How many of their support techs aren't using Apple laptops at this point?!)

It's hard not to get the impression they've been overwhelmed with Apple Silicon support, new CPU thread handling on Windows 11, and new copy protection, alongside the legacy code which already made things more difficult.

The bottom line is if they can't provide performance and, above all, stability, then even many longer term users will start looking elsewhere, just purely out of practical basic need.

[electro]

Once every 30 or 40 years would be plenty for me.

C12 is the most feature rich DAW on the market. I see very little it can't accomplish.

[chk071]

Once every 30 or 40 years would be plenty for me.

C12 is the most feature rich DAW on the market. I see very little it can't accomplish.

I think you can produce any kind of music with any DAW these days. The features they add are merely for comfort, and improving the workflow. But, nothing "necessary".

All rather arguments they sell you for upgrading.

[lfm]

I think you can produce any kind of music with any DAW these days. The features they add are merely for comfort, and improving the workflow. But, nothing "necessary".

All rather arguments they sell you for upgrading.

Agree on that, many features are more like
- a solution looking for a need

Ran Cubase 2015 to 2018 and then dropped it.
- had serious issues with track templates of selected tracks
- they never fixed it
- some other strangeness was that every full hour of windows uptime audio engine restarted due to some event in computer, but only in Pro versions, Elements were fine as all other daws StudioOne, Reaper and Sonar.

But always felt it looked really good, with visibility and all.
- among the most professional looking IMO

Now this fashionable gui with dark on even darker just make my eyes squint to see anything.

[noiseboyuk]

- had serious issues with track templates of selected tracks
- they never fixed it

Yup, this stuff is still a nightmare. One version fixes it, the next breaks it again. Disabling / saving / closing / opening / enabling a multi out instrument track still breaks stuff in 12.0.70.

I used to be beta tester, but I got too depressed.

[lfm]

- had serious issues with track templates of selected tracks
- they never fixed it

Yup, this stuff is still a nightmare. One version fixes it, the next breaks it again. Disabling / saving / closing / opening / enabling a multi out instrument track still breaks stuff in 12.0.70.

I used to be beta tester, but I got too depressed.

Yes, I remember we both had posts in same thread on Steinberg forum over this as v10 came around and still there.
- so if there still, sad story

[cptgone]

I am sure there are people who will like the old version better, as is usually the case. There always exists some contrarians that have to disagree with any change made in an application.

Objectively, the new version is clearly superior from both a usability and ergonomics standpoint.

All I agreed to was this:

The content is easier to grasp and is easier on the eye.

You claim "objectivity" in what is obviously a subjective point (I was just sharing my 2 cents. From my perspective. For what it's worth.)
No need to call me a "contrarian" over that. You might as well stay civil.

You do seem to raise a few valid points about other aspects of the new GUI.

[kenny saunders]

I wish they would have brought back loopmash officially.

FYI you can still use it if you copy over the 'LoopMash_x64.vst3', 'pulseOSC_x64.dll' but it still needs the dongle.

[gumiho]

and I feel that the C12 is starting to make my PC struggle.
and when there is new news about C13, I will turn away from it.

[jens]

Objectively, the new version is clearly superior from both a usability and ergonomics standpoint.

According to your objective opinion, huh?

[AdvancedFollower]

I don't think UI design is entirely subjective. It's not based on the whims of some designer (at least not in big projects like a major DAW), there's actual science involved like usability testing, heuristic evaluation, user research etc.