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EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:33 pm

In fact it was too advanced for most people, which is probably why it failed sales-wise. I love it, you love it, Echoes loves it, but most people did not share our enthusiasm.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:08 pm

sacer wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:49 pm Novation also has a very well integration in Ableton, where you don’t need midi CC and have direct access to the plug-ins like with push or apc40.
But I don’t know the integration to other DAW, but I think bin Bitwig it would also work like in abletob

Because of Moss, (who may or may not work for Bitwig and Cockos), Both the Novation MKIII and KK MKII have exceptional control surface support in Bitwig. There is built in support in DP11 my primary DAW with the KK MKII, I think for the Novation the only dedicated support is for Live, everyone else gets Mackie Control emulation support.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:22 pm

Kore was amazing, I used it all the time, They said at the time they dumped it that Maschine would be the logical replacement, and that never happened not surprisingly. They also said Kore was the last product they would deprecate. Then Rig Kontrol 3 got dropped, and recently Absynth.

I admire companies like Arturia that keep old products like their 2600 etc. around and upgraded. It might just be filler in V Collection in terms of sales but there it is VST3, resizable GUI etc. Love NI but it’s a bit of a Whose Afraid of Virginia Wolf marriage!

Dencheg · Post by **Dencheg** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:27 pm

I should chime in and say that it's sad that NI forces me to use Kontakt Player when I have full Kontakt 6, which used to work with actually great Noire.
Sad state indeed.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:59 pm

machinesworking wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:22 pm Kore was amazing, I used it all the time, They said at the time they dumped it that Maschine would be the logical replacement, and that never happened not surprisingly. They also said Kore was the last product they would deprecate. Then Rig Kontrol 3 got dropped, and recently Absynth.

I admire companies like Arturia that keep old products like their 2600 etc. around and upgraded. It might just be filler in V Collection in terms of sales but there it is VST3, resizable GUI etc. Love NI but it’s a bit of a Whose Afraid of Virginia Wolf marriage!

Don't forget NI also ditched the vst version of Super-8, going back to Reaktor only. Booo.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:06 pm

Yes NI, remotely launched NA, did an update all whilst you slept and you woke up the next day without doing any action beyond launching Kontakt 6 to find you couldn't use Noire anymore.

It's like there is ZERO personal responsibility with some people here.

You are on Kontakt 6, NI is on Kontakt 7, releases and update to a library you own.. By hitting update all, what are you hoping to have achieve? I really am curious. What improvements to this library you thought would happen for its use in Kontakt 6.

rsp

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:34 pm

zvenx wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:06 pm What improvements to this library you thought would happen for its use in Kontakt 6.

Could there have been some wonky samples or loop points that needed fixing that weren't discovered in the past? Or some additional sample content? Is there a screenshot from NA showing in the change log where updating those libraries would cause issues in K6?

Responsibility goes both ways. If NI didn't put some kind of warning can you blame the end user?

If there was a warning "Requires K7" or something similar and people went ahead and updated anyway then yes that's on them.

Again I have K7 and don't own those libraries so this didn't affect me but to blame the whole issue on the end user might not be appropriate depending on the actual facts in the case.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:40 pm

More than that, NIs updater says they only include software updates that you need…the updater says that! There have been lots of library updates over the years, why would anyone suddenly suspect that they should not update something an updater says they should update. Defending this obvious cock up seems somewhat ludicrous.

spacepluk · Post by **spacepluk** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:01 pm

Just being able to jump to specific parameter pages makes the mk3 upgrade worth it for me.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:09 pm

Teksonik wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:34 pm
zvenx wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:06 pm What improvements to this library you thought would happen for its use in Kontakt 6.
Could there have been some wonky samples or loop points that needed fixing that weren't discovered in the past? Or some additional sample content? Is there a screenshot from NA showing in the change log where updating those libraries would cause issues in K6?

Responsibility goes both ways. If NI didn't put some kind of warning can you blame the end user?

If there was a warning "Requires K7" or something similar and people went ahead and updated anyway then yes that's on them.

Again I have K7 and don't own those libraries so this didn't affect me but to blame the whole issue on the end user might not be appropriate depending on the actual facts in the case.

It said first line.. K7.6 required.
rsp

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:55 pm

I’m still not sure why support for NKS2 has to break backwards compatibility- surely it could have both?

Guess we will need to always read release notes now and not just update the programs the NI updater says have updates….i just need to uninstall or roll back to 1.1 I guess. At the very least it is inelegant to offer updates like this to people who don’t have K7 as the update will just sit there forever offered…or is there an ignore update button, I can’t remember.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:13 pm

zvenx wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:09 pm It said first line.. K7.6 required.

Ok then it's their fault....for installing a product manager that would allow them to download something that's not for the product they own.

But seriously a product manager is supposed to do all the work otherwise what's the point? It becomes little more than bloatware at that point. NA, do you see K7.6 installed? No? Then don't allow the download. Not rocket science.

But I'll store this in the memory banks for when K8 is released. Don't trust Native Access unless you always update to the latest version whether you need it or can afford it or not.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:16 pm

Well technically since everyone can own Kontakt 7 Player....

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But I agree with you that it should indeed see what you have installed, what is required for the updates and tell you, you can't install it or something..

But i think the smarter solution is that NA should allow you to install earlier versions if you so desire.
rsp

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:33 pm

This isn't just NI, but I hate with a passion how the problem of backwards compatibility is handled with plugins by at least half the manufactures out there. The fact that you can save a preset, then open it in the latest version of a plugin and 99% of the time it sounds exactly the same just kills the whole argument that the new version needs to be considered different by your DAW etc. For a hot second with Kontakt 6 it looked like NI was dropping this fiasco, but Kontakt 7 rolls out with the 7 attached.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:35 am

machinesworking wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:33 pmFor a hot second with Kontakt 6 it looked like NI was dropping this fiasco, but Kontakt 7 rolls out with the 7 attached.

It's a permanent record of bad management. Whenever you look at your plugins now or in the future, you will think - "huh - where did Kontakt 6 go"?

Sad state of Native Instruments